Spoilers Visual continuity - Does Discovery strictly need to show past designs... at all?
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It happens.
You can have your own opinions. That doesn't mean we have to understand why you hold them or agree with them.
And that doesn't mean you should talk down to people you disagree with.
Funny, I didn't talk down at you.
Doesn't mean you didn't do it to someone else, though.
How am stopping you from having it? Please, go on, explain how I am forcing you to not have this opinion just because I state disbelief in your inability to see why changes must be made.
I know it does, I simply can not understand the mindset.
Isn't the idea of a message board to try and understand other people's prespectives and have the mutual exchange of ideas.
And I struggle to understand the hyperbole of DISCO is "ruining Star Trek" and the like. Doesn't mean I won't try.
I am a long time RPG player, its something I have seen dozens of times across half a dozen or more game systems. Every new edition is "ruining" the game or setting. Each and every one. People get so invested in "their" version that they take offense if any change is made and get down right hostile and unwelcoming to anyone who happens to like the change.
Except I don't see Discovery as ruining Star Trek. Nor am I getting hostile towards people who like it or okay with it. You like Discovery's connie, great. I never once told someone they can't. Yet, I'm told my opinions are laughable or preposterous because I happen to think the TOS connie is timeless and doesn't need change. That's unwelcoming to me.
Change can be necessary but the Connie to me is something that doesn't need it.
Change can be necessary but the Connie to me is something that doesn't need it.
You started this off by claiming I was someone mind controlling you because you could not defend your opinion. I simply stated I do not understand how you can honestly look at those body shapes and being honest, say "Yeah it fits right here" because non fans sure as heck will point out it does not.
Perhaps I misread your context because it looked like a snarky comment towards people who were fine with TOS constitution class as it is. If that wasn't the case I apologize.
Its good man, it was not snarky, I really can not understand the mindset. I see the shape forms and its like a Model T put between a 1980 ford and a 2017 ford and go "see it was produced here!". The body shapes simply do not work as post NX. I am simply at a total lose as to how anyone can claim it fits.
Good. For me personally. It's somewhat of an OCD thing. I'm a big fan of TOS as that was my introduction into Star Trek back in 2007. So Discovery being a prequel to it really excited me as that unexplored period of Trek always fascinated me. Ultimately Discovery has been hit and miss for me but I don't hate it. There are some episodes I really enjoy and some I don't but I'm sticking for the ride because as polarizing as it is for me, I'm anxious to see where it goes next. I don't really agree with the car analogy, but I can understand it. Since I love that era of Trek, I would like to see some aspects of it preserved and respected. Is TOS dated? In some areas yes of course. It's not untouchable. But for me I like the Constitution Class as it is. It's a timeless design and I think it shouldn't be touched at all. I would be interested to see how they fit it into Discovery, but that's for the future to bring. That's just my two cents.
If it does have to absolutely be changed. I hope it looks like this.
The issue is, it is not timeliness. Its a classic, sure, but to use cars once more. Its like a 66 Impala, you know it by its lines and shapes. See in DSC we now have ships older than the Connie, but much like the NX and everything after TMP, they are not build around those body lines. You look at the walker and you can see the NX influence, the body lines and styles are just newer.
And man, TOS visually is dated in all areas. That is not a slam on it, just a basic fact.
Yeah I suppose your right. I haven't liked many of Discovery's ships for that reason. I think the Walker Class has too many lines, it just looks boxy. It looks like the NX-01 with too much stuff on it. I like the Discovery itself. I like the update to the Ken Adam design from Planet of the Titans. The USS Gagarin is the closest to a TOS type ship. I love it's mostly smooth saucer. If it had TOS era Nacelles, I'd buy it fitting in.
However we're going to have to agree to disagree on TOS because I don't think visually dated in all areas. Just some. That's my opinion.
The ships we see are based off the NX. I think most of use pegged the walker as Late 22nd century. She is an old ship at this point. The Gararin was a Shepard class, so she was still pretty close to the walker and NX in form. Almost an upside down walker really.
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