Which, perhaps, is the point? Rather than it being a 25th century show?
What post-Nemesis Trek SHOULD be like
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I disagree about the Discovery computers being more advanced than TNG on that basis. There were instances when the TNG era computers made recommendations. I think the main difference is that the Discovery computers can make recommendations without being explicitly asked to.
There's established technology and there's technology that's used and quickly forgotten, or new technology that shares the same name as old technology that was quickly forgotten (e.g. "transwarp").
The JJ movie ST Into Darkness did briefly mention a galaxy-wide transporter system, which was (if I recall) a nod to the early development of TNG where the new show wouldn't have a ship, just the big transporter doodad. Which makes a certain sense; after how TNG got to the point where every other episode had an obligatory moment of "WARP CORE BREACH, THIS IS NOT A DRILL, ABANDON SHIP, RUN AROUND LIKE CAFFEINATED SQUIRRELS", combined with how warp technology is slowly damaging the fabric of space and this is where a Doctor Who crossover might come in handy since the Logopolitans can use block transfer computation to fix everything... unless the Master shows up...
Anyway, a new series based on groovy galactic teleporter technology might actually be worthwhile. All the Federated planets have their own systems, the enemies of the Federation (Romulans, etc) may or may not have their own teleporter versions... or where one major empire (e.g. Romulans) could be making their own fleet of 100 new ships over a year or 62 smaller empires making 1600 once the future's equivalent of Spock does all the counting, all of which would hurt the fabric of space even more but they all signed the treaty saying they wouldn't build any more ships, so there's conflict #1 should the show get boring... but it does mean space battles would be harder to do and a Federation crew isn't going to commandeer a Klingon Bird of Prey every week... The question is to make the idea sustainable for a long-term show and not making it get boring. Keep starships as a backup plan. Like, and here comes another Doctor Who reference, that of T-Mat...
A premiere episode could also address the state of the Federation, post-Dominion, post-Borg, post-"Nemesis". Especially the latter, Romulans having a truce made and then one of the empires does a double cross (conflict #2) because, again, a TV show where everybody is all shiny happy isn't going to last very long unless there's some form of conflict from outside their teletubby land, like that baby in the sun grows up about 50 feet tall and has an insatiable craving for teletubbies - with ketchup and horseradish sauce. Now there's a spinoff, written preferably by Sid and Marty Krofft, but that's obviously for a different show and not Star Trek...
Trek 25th Century could also address a galactic Armageddon, like the Buck Rogers movie from 1979, at least before they made it into the seedy, campy TV show... the actual movie had some interesting ideas going on and "Star Trek -In The 25th Century-" could be influenced by it... just without the camp.
So get the premiere to do a little catch-up in an informal way to address basic situations and then move forward. With everything except the crossovers, that's the nerd inside of me trying to crack a joke...
The JJ movie ST Into Darkness did briefly mention a galaxy-wide transporter system, which was (if I recall) a nod to the early development of TNG where the new show wouldn't have a ship, just the big transporter doodad. Which makes a certain sense; after how TNG got to the point where every other episode had an obligatory moment of "WARP CORE BREACH, THIS IS NOT A DRILL, ABANDON SHIP, RUN AROUND LIKE CAFFEINATED SQUIRRELS", combined with how warp technology is slowly damaging the fabric of space and this is where a Doctor Who crossover might come in handy since the Logopolitans can use block transfer computation to fix everything... unless the Master shows up...
Anyway, a new series based on groovy galactic teleporter technology might actually be worthwhile. All the Federated planets have their own systems, the enemies of the Federation (Romulans, etc) may or may not have their own teleporter versions... or where one major empire (e.g. Romulans) could be making their own fleet of 100 new ships over a year or 62 smaller empires making 1600 once the future's equivalent of Spock does all the counting, all of which would hurt the fabric of space even more but they all signed the treaty saying they wouldn't build any more ships, so there's conflict #1 should the show get boring... but it does mean space battles would be harder to do and a Federation crew isn't going to commandeer a Klingon Bird of Prey every week... The question is to make the idea sustainable for a long-term show and not making it get boring. Keep starships as a backup plan. Like, and here comes another Doctor Who reference, that of T-Mat...
A premiere episode could also address the state of the Federation, post-Dominion, post-Borg, post-"Nemesis". Especially the latter, Romulans having a truce made and then one of the empires does a double cross (conflict #2) because, again, a TV show where everybody is all shiny happy isn't going to last very long unless there's some form of conflict from outside their teletubby land, like that baby in the sun grows up about 50 feet tall and has an insatiable craving for teletubbies - with ketchup and horseradish sauce. Now there's a spinoff, written preferably by Sid and Marty Krofft, but that's obviously for a different show and not Star Trek...
Trek 25th Century could also address a galactic Armageddon, like the Buck Rogers movie from 1979, at least before they made it into the seedy, campy TV show... the actual movie had some interesting ideas going on and "Star Trek -In The 25th Century-" could be influenced by it... just without the camp.
So get the premiere to do a little catch-up in an informal way to address basic situations and then move forward. With everything except the crossovers, that's the nerd inside of me trying to crack a joke...
This part alone earned a like.
I'd like a continuation that's just sort of, you know, a continuation.
What are the consequences of Janeway crippling the Borg collective? Are some species now harvesting technology from the shattered Collective for even worse purposes? Will the injured Collective resurrect as something else, for better or worse? (I know the novels address this, but.... I'd like to see a different take on it.)
What's happened to the Dominion since the War?
What's out there in the unexplored parts of the galaxy?
If our galaxy is mostly Humanoids due to alien experimentation eons ago, then what are other galaxies like, and what's their history?
While I know this could never happen due to actors aging and whatnot, I'd love a series or movie that combined characters from various series and sent them on one mission. A ship captained by Ro Laren, with Seven of Nine, Ezri Dax, and a somehow resurrected Data go on a mission to rescue Ambassador Spock from some danger, and run into the highly-evolved Sisko...
What are the consequences of Janeway crippling the Borg collective? Are some species now harvesting technology from the shattered Collective for even worse purposes? Will the injured Collective resurrect as something else, for better or worse? (I know the novels address this, but.... I'd like to see a different take on it.)
What's happened to the Dominion since the War?
What's out there in the unexplored parts of the galaxy?
If our galaxy is mostly Humanoids due to alien experimentation eons ago, then what are other galaxies like, and what's their history?
While I know this could never happen due to actors aging and whatnot, I'd love a series or movie that combined characters from various series and sent them on one mission. A ship captained by Ro Laren, with Seven of Nine, Ezri Dax, and a somehow resurrected Data go on a mission to rescue Ambassador Spock from some danger, and run into the highly-evolved Sisko...
This right here is what a new Trek series should primarily be about! Period.
While I'm interested in all of these things - none of them should be the main motivation for a new series. If we ever got a post-Nemesis tv series, those stories would be a perfect fit for self-contained two- or three parters. A few nuggets for the old fans. Maybe a cameo here and there. But just a 'sidequest' for the new crew.
Or, you know, make a Netflix exclusive 90 minutes movie out of it?
Am critical of that. While I would be okay with one or two characters coming over as new regulars (like O'Brian and Worf on DS9), I think they should be relegated to guest spots. Like, have Janeway be the bitchy Admiral-boss to the new crew, or Geordi LaForge be the senior engineer. But tone it down. The new series should be about the new guys.
What would be great though? A TNG-era shows (TNG/DS9/VOY) crossover miniseries! The best (and available) actors from these series all coming together for two 90 minutes nights. Maybe make it an epic generational thread, involving early records from the ENT-crew. THAT would be amazing! But I simply think that's not enough to sustain an entire new series.
Janeway was many things, but she was never "bitchy." Though I heard the relaunch novels began presenting her that way, but if so that was a complete massacre of her character.
I like your miniseries idea though.
Indeed! I think I might have used the wrong word there. (Side note: I love Janeway)
Janeway shouldn't be "bitchy". She should be boss-y.
I think IF she should appear as an Admiral (and that's a BIG "if"), Kate Mulgrew shouldn't play the role the same way she played her Captain. Captain Janeway was a caring Captain, oftentimes fraternizing with her crew, and having everyone's well-being in mind. An Admiral Janeway should (IMO) be a hardened professional. Someone the "new" Captain repeatedly butts heads with - someone who has the larger picture in mind, while the "new" Captain was the one more concerned about the individual tasks. Something akin to Cpt. Picard and Admiral Nechayev.
(Nechayev was repeatedly called "bitchy" by fans, even though every decision of hers was pretty much the right call or at least logical from a more distanced, larger point of view. Just not what Picard would have liked to do in the moment. I liked her. And I think an Admiral Janeway should be portrayed somewhat similar.)
That would be amazing! Especially if they were pulled into the mirrorverse
I think a series based in the Klingon Empire would be awesome.
Or a post Dominion cardassia or gamma quadrant in general
Or a post Dominion cardassia or gamma quadrant in general
I'd like a jump ahead to the 26th century, so we're well ahead of any established continuity and far enough away that they can pick and choose which bits of the past they want to allude to, if any.
Forget the details and extrapolate from the broad strokes - imagine what challenges a post-Nemesis, post-Dominion War society might be facing a century later. The world we live in was shaped irrevocably by the world wars and the cold war, the ramifications of the defining events of the 20th century will still be felt for years to come. But very little of the day to day stuff is actively remembered, we just live in the world that emerged in its wake.
One avenue could be imagining a Federation that is fractured by environmental damage to subspace - a Federation that can no longer maintain cohesiveness, as travel and communication have become much harder than they were in the TNG era. Set against that backdrop, the frontier spirit of 23rd century Star Trek could re-emerge as colonies and outer planets find themselves developing independently of a centralised system. Maybe they could do that, and then push all the whys and hows right to the back, and just tell some stories about the people living their lives in a civilisation whose best days are well behind it.
Forget the details and extrapolate from the broad strokes - imagine what challenges a post-Nemesis, post-Dominion War society might be facing a century later. The world we live in was shaped irrevocably by the world wars and the cold war, the ramifications of the defining events of the 20th century will still be felt for years to come. But very little of the day to day stuff is actively remembered, we just live in the world that emerged in its wake.
One avenue could be imagining a Federation that is fractured by environmental damage to subspace - a Federation that can no longer maintain cohesiveness, as travel and communication have become much harder than they were in the TNG era. Set against that backdrop, the frontier spirit of 23rd century Star Trek could re-emerge as colonies and outer planets find themselves developing independently of a centralised system. Maybe they could do that, and then push all the whys and hows right to the back, and just tell some stories about the people living their lives in a civilisation whose best days are well behind it.
Why is a fractured Federation so popular?
Because we've seen every other stage of its development? Because stories need conflict and utopias are boring? I dunno
You can have conflict without fracturing the Federation. Given the fandom outcry about Abrams Trek destroying Vulcan, and DISCO being a more dark view of the Federation, I don't see that going over well.
100% agree!
I'd much prefer all original characters, maybe with one or two former stars making a guest appearance, but maybe one every couple of seasons.
Shouldn't that be crazy? She is an admiral after all and as soon as the admiral stars go on their collar they lose their minds.
No clue, always sounds like a horrendous idea. If anything the UFP should be expanding and welcoming others into its fold. I could understand some member worlds choosing to leave for various political reasons, but I wouldn't see it as cause a rift that could be mended.
DS9 showed how conflict could be introduced, being out on the fringes where everything isn't a utopia compared to the Federation core, where things are more difficult and isolation forces people to adapt to their situation as best they can. It's easy to be a saint in paradise, but people there don't live in paradise, they're just people.
And this is why I like DS9 and DISCO.
Of course you can have conflict without fracturing the federation, but you asked me why it's such a popular idea and it seems a pretty obvious way to introduce it.
I'm not talking about turning Star Trek into Babylon 5 or anything, I just think that "various factors are straining the utopian dream" is a more interesting springboard for post-Nemesis Trek than "everyone basically gets on now"
I wasn't aware there was an outcry, and as far as I knew DIS has been generally well received. But then I had a good eight year hiatus from this forum so perhaps "fandom outcry" isn't something that future showrunners should concern themselves with too much.
That's a bit of an extreme. I personally prefer to find a middle ground of a rebuilding era, when the Federation is struggling with the losses from the Dominion War, the fact that there still might be Changeling agents amont them, as well as a struggling Cardassian, Romulan and other Alpha Quadrant powers.
Personally, I would draw upon Firefly and the Reconstruction after the Civil War as the frontiers expand from changing borders. As well as any internal fractures caused by attitudes towards the war (New Fundamentalists, isolationists, etc.).
There's ways of doing it without fracturing the Federation.
I'm not disputing that, christ
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