What post-Nemesis Trek SHOULD be like

[jaime]

No, this actually started because I was lamenting the increase of Mass Effect influence on science fiction concepts, if a bit hyperbolic in my presentation.

I was primarily arguing the use of technological concepts that have been developed in recent years be influencing or extrapolated in Star Trek and possible consequences or results of that tech.

I think Trek itself helped bring some of those things into being...so may the BR2049 approach of simply carrying on from its earlier genesis is best.
On the plus side, at least you now know Mass Effect itself wasn’t the start point for some of those trends. Which tbh haven’t really come into mainstream much.
Mass Effect is basically the bastard child of Babylon 5 and Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within.

 

[fireproof78]

I think Trek itself helped bring some of those things into being...so may the BR2049 approach of simply carrying on from its earlier genesis is best.
On the plus side, at least you now know Mass Effect itself wasn’t the start point for some of those trends. Which tbh haven’t really come into mainstream much.
Mass Effect is basically the bastard child of Babylon 5 and Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within.

Which is a nice comfort. Its just frustrating trying to design concepts for science fiction and keep tripping over ME references.

 

[ralfy]

I've yet to see a similar style tech referred, save for Worf's spine which was considered a highly controversial technology.

I'm trying to scale back my hyperbole against Mass Effect, even though I still don't care for it. I might be the wrong demographic or something, I don't know.

I don't mind video games, but would rather Star Trek use that optimistic premise to build upon contemporary technology, not just borrow from other properties.

It doesn't have to be similar tech, probably just those devices that Bones used to hover on top of the affected body part. LOL.

Hyperbole? Mass Effect is hardly mentioned in sci-fi, and the fact that you accidentally referred to it in a previous message is proof of such.

Why the obsession with contemporary technology?

 

[ralfy]

Which is a nice comfort. Its just frustrating trying to design concepts for science fiction and keep tripping over ME references.

That's hardly the case:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1073668/movieconnections

 

[fireproof78]

That's hardly the case:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1073668/movieconnections

I'm not referring to films or TV shows.

But, I'm also facing a losing battle, so I will concede the point, and step away.

Why the obsession with contemporary technology?

Because its interesting, has potential long term impacts upon human development, and would be fun to explore.

Wasn't aware this was a bad thing.

 

[ralfy]

I'm not referring to films or TV shows.

But, I'm also facing a losing battle, so I will concede the point, and step away.

But the topic thread refers to films.

Because its interesting, has potential long term impacts upon human development, and would be fun to explore.

Wasn't aware this was a bad thing.

But the same can be said of imagined technology.

 

[XCV330]

Might be interesting to see a period where a triumphant Federation has slowly had development crawl to a halt and though it doesn't know it, is on the precipice of a falling apart due to inner decay, a-la Foundation. Doesn't have to be pessimistic, but more a search to go beyond that and get back to the inner principles that made it successful.

 

[fireproof78]

But the topic thread refers to films.

And I was referring to my own personal experience, not limited to films. Probably caused the disconnect.

But the same can be said of imagined technology.

Yes, it can. As I stated earlier, I have no issue with keeping technology long associated Star Trek, but also incorporating some newer discoveries as well. Not sure why there can't be both.

 

[ralfy]

And I was referring to my own personal experience, not limited to films. Probably caused the disconnect.

You argued that you did not want to hear any references to Mass Effect because it's been alluded to so many times in science fiction works. If it turns out that you were only referring to science fiction video games, then the point doesn't make sense because the works referred to in this thread aren't games.

Yes, it can. As I stated earlier, I have no issue with keeping technology long associated Star Trek, but also incorporating some newer discoveries as well. Not sure why there can't be both.

No problem with that, but you have to remember that many of them appear in Mass Effect games, among others.

 

[fireproof78]

You argued that you did not want to hear any references to Mass Effect because it's been alluded to so many times in science fiction works. If it turns out that you were only referring to science fiction video games, then the point doesn't make sense because the works referred to in this thread aren't games.

You're right. I was wrong.

No problem with that, but you have to remember that many of them appear in Mass Effect games, among others.

Completely fair.

 

[Romulan_spy]

I'd love to see a post-TNG series featuring the Odyssey class, Enterprise F. Great looking ship that I think would fit really well into TNG style show set in the future.

 

[fireproof78]

I'd love to see a post-TNG series featuring the Odyssey class, Enterprise F. Great looking ship that I think would fit really well into TNG style show set in the future.

What's the story? That's what I want to know. What is it about post-NEM that draws individuals to it that will shed all the history from TNG era so that it is approachable for a new audience?

I like the design of the Odyssey too, as well as the name, but I'm also pragmatic enough to recognize that style points are not going to win the day.

 

[Tribble puncher]

I kinda like the Idea that Discovery brought forth by making a character the focus instead of a ship, maybe a mix of that and "TNG's Lower Decks" follow a mid level LT. around on a science focused ship....just an off thought

 

[F. King Daniel]

Considering Discovery has all the technology of the late 24th century and more, I'm curious how anyone thinks post-Nemesis Trek could be depicted as more advanced aside from the status-quo breaking changes I described in the OP.

 

[RedAlert]

Considering Discovery has all the technology of the late 24th century and more, I'm curious how anyone thinks post-Nemesis Trek could be depicted as more advanced aside from the status-quo breaking changes I described in the OP.

Well, take Sarek aside and DSC could work as a post-Nemesis series.
I just close my eyes ...and it works for me.

 

[Romulan_spy]

What's the story? That's what I want to know. What is it about post-NEM that draws individuals to it that will shed all the history from TNG era so that it is approachable for a new audience?

The story could be anything you want it to be. It just requires some creative writing. Personally, I like what the Trek literature has done with the post Borg invasion. An Enterprise F series could be about helping with the reconstruction of the Federation as well as deal with the cold war with the Typhon Pact. In terms of making it relateable to a new audience, that just requires some good exposition in the pilot.

 

[fireproof78]

Considering Discovery has all the technology of the late 24th century and more, I'm curious how anyone thinks post-Nemesis Trek could be depicted as more advanced aside from the status-quo breaking changes I described in the OP.

Replicators and ablative armor, as well as self-aware holograms.

 

[Samuel]

I'm far more tired of hearing about "Game of Thrones".

 

[fireproof78]

I'm far more tired of hearing about "Game of Thrones".

Indeed.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Replicators and ablative armor, as well as self-aware holograms.

Are replicators really any different to whatever they have on Discovery? Does ablative armour make any difference to the story beyond technobabble?

Self aware holograms may be a difference. The way the Discovery and Shenzhou computers talked with and made recommendations to Saru and Burnham is ahead of TOS and TNG, although not too far from what we have today.