They cannot according to George Lucas.
Darth Bane and Revan were cut from an episode of Clone Wars because of that.
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They cannot according to George Lucas.
Darth Bane and Revan were cut from an episode of Clone Wars because of that.
Yes, it redeems his soul--because his redemption is not because he saves Luke, it is because he accepts the light side of the force back into his being. When he chooses the good, he then saves Luke. Presumably if he had lived he would have had to face legal punishment for his crimes but his soul had already been saved.
And in dialogue, both in A New Hope and Revenge of the Sith it is implied that this is a power only give to the good side. If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you could ever imagine. Once again this is the similarity with Christianity where the good are redeemed and taken to heaven to live eternally and other souls burn in hell or purgatory.
It's by the grace of the Force. The Force works in mysterious ways.
Or something.
Kor
It seems to be more a matter of finding peace and balance in the Force that allows one to become a Force Ghost. That is partly why Qui-Gon doesn't have the full abilities of that because he wasn't fully at peace of balance, but he at least knew what to look for.
Obi-wan interacted with the branches, leaves, and seat on Dagoba in Return of the Jedi.
Obi-wan interacted with the branches, leaves, and seat on Dagoba in Return of the Jedi.
The dialogue in ROTS suggests that people become ghosts, but becoming a Force Ghost requires some training:
ROTS said:
They can speak for themselves, my grade is A (I should've made it an A+, but it's too late now.)
Go back and see it again, and go to a theater that has great reclining seats and is in IMAX. Piss off the haters even more (I know that I will.)
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And destroyed the ultimate evil in the galaxy, fulfilling the prophecy long foretold.
Probably why it's called "The Return of the Jedi" (sg instead of plural) - Jedi Anakin's return...
I understand Rian Johnson wanted to establish the premise for the new Star Wars TV series, but to me, the weakest part of TLJ was the 45-minute chase between the First Order and the Resistance fleet - and the Canto Bight scene. It reminded me of numerous Trek episodes where Picard/Janeway/Sisko was running out of time/fuel/resources. I thought, "Is this the plot of this whole movie?" It wasn't a great film in that regard. I gave it a B+.
Shifting gears in this thread...
I rewatched TFA last night with my family, in preparation for seeing TLJ again in a couple days, and noticed the following dropped plots / inconsistencies between the movies. In no particular order:
I rewatched TFA last night with my family, in preparation for seeing TLJ again in a couple days, and noticed the following dropped plots / inconsistencies between the movies. In no particular order:
- I thought we'd learn a bit more about Lor San Tekka (Max Von Sydow) and his relation to Luke / Leia / Ben Solo in TLJ. Oh well.
- The Knights of Ren are AWOL in TLJ. I originally thought they'd be the ones whom Rey is fighting in Snoke's throne room. Maybe they were, which explains why both Force-powerful KR and Rey had so much trouble fighting them off?
- Kylo Ren is much stronger with the Force in TFA than in TLJ. In the former, he can paralyze people, sift through minds, stop a blaster bolt in mid-air (and hold it in place for several minutes while doing other things), and can pick people up and throw them through the air like rag dolls. In TLJ, he basically can push people against walls and grab light sabers. The TFA skills would have made the battle with the imperial guards childsplay (unless they were the Knights Who Say 'Ren!', as mentioned above).
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I think the problem is two-fold: (1) two years of fan speculation about anything and everything from TFA is bound to upset a large swath of people, regardless of how the story goes, and (2) Johnson seems to have deliberately gone the opposite direction from many fan theories.
Should he have been forced to cow-tow to fans? No, of course not. But I'm not sure what happened was consistent with what had been established before.
Fuck 'em. They'll come around eventually, and even if they don't they're making only themselves miserable.
I'll happily acknowledge the real problems people had with the movie, like Holdo not telling Poe her plan, or Canto Bight, but none of that was enough to effect my overall enjoyment of it. I actually liked the stuff on Canto Bight.
The problems arise when people start doing doing shit like attacking Rian Johnson, or start dumbass Change.org petitions.
Just as an FYI Ex Machina is a seriously awesome movie, and if you don't mind f words, nudity, and some violence you need watch it now. It really proves that you can have an awesome sci-fi movie that is mostly four people in a house talking, all you need is a good script and cast.
The problems arise when people start doing doing shit like attacking Rian Johnson, or start dumbass Change.org petitions.
He also invited General Hux to tear up the fucking dance floor once. They really need to find a way to work dance skills into the next movie.
Just as an FYI Ex Machina is a seriously awesome movie, and if you don't mind f words, nudity, and some violence you need watch it now. It really proves that you can have an awesome sci-fi movie that is mostly four people in a house talking, all you need is a good script and cast.
Well anyhow, to sum up my reaction to the movie was and still is like this:
This is my opinion, to which everyone is entitled to have and express.
This is my opinion, to which everyone is entitled to have and express.
Actually, if you check the Lucasfilm official foreign translations of ROTJ (no the) it is not singular but plural. Just like The Last Jedi movie title is also plural.
The entire Canto Bight sub plot was pointless, del Toro sold them out in the end.
The movie would have played out exactly the same if Finn just stayed with the fleet.
We also wouldn't have had to put up with as much of the equally pointless Rose.
There. Now you have a two hour movie.
The movie would have played out exactly the same if Finn just stayed with the fleet.
We also wouldn't have had to put up with as much of the equally pointless Rose.
There. Now you have a two hour movie.
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If Finn stayed with the fleet del Toro wouldn't have betrayed the cloaked ships, and we didn't have the end battle and Luke was still alive.
The movie would have actually played out with the Resistance ships making it to the rebel base if that had happened. The point of the movie was that Finn's plan failed spectacularly and resulted in the deaths of almost the entire resistance. Holdo and Leia's plan would have worked if Finn had followed orders. This is what Yoda's speech about learning from failure was about. It is similar to ESB in that Luke going to Bespin never made a difference in how the rest of the story played out but it set him up to be defeated and told the truth about Vader before he was ready to hear it. This parallels Rey's failure in that she gains nothing from her confrontation with Ren except to learn who her parents are, which leaves her more confused than ever==although apparently she stole the Jedi texts, which might contain some answers (I completely missed seeing this in the movie).
Also, the theory about the First Order jumping to hyperspace to get ahead of the resistance ships doesn't bear out because the resistance ships would jump to hyperspace as soon as the First Order did. Presumably the First Order is not able to track them if they are not there at the start of the jump. This is hinted at by the dialogue earlier in the film regarding the "thread" they have attached to the resistance fleet.
I enjoyed this move precisely because it defied expectations. The heroes were stopped at every turn and the "big plan" ultimately turned out to be a huge failure. They're beaten and almost left for dead by the end of the movie, but Leia at least is not without hope and presumably Luke has realized that he has yet to fulfill a greater purpose.
I think I hated this movie more than I hated the prequels now that I've had time to digest it, though I haven't seen them in some time. Nothing was explained, I just wish I hadn't seen it, I didn't really want to see it any way but was dragged along. Just a very disappointing movie with an extremely thin and weak plot which made no sense to me at all.
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