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so the producers and writers said that discovery will lead into TOS (60's aesthetics and all)...

Nobody's suggesting anything "went over the studio's heads", it's obviously a deliberate retcon.

Silly hair-splitting on par with ENT's "we didn't actually say 'Ferengi' or 'Borg' so it's okay" doesn't make the slightest difference.

And you'll keep insisting that even though Star Trek's gone visually and tonally from Adam West to Ben Affleck, the continuity is actually perfect.
Correction: Many people are, but you weren't, because you believe it's a reboot and the producers are simply liars. We know this. Everyone knows what you think. You apply the same vapid arguments to every topic remotely related to visuals or continuity. You might as well just write a bot that spits out Ferengi and Adam West memes at this point.
 
Correction: Many people are, but you weren't, because you believe it's a reboot and the producers are simply liars. We know this. Everyone knows what you think. You apply the same vapid arguments to every topic remotely related to visuals or continuity. You might as well just write a bot that spits out Ferengi and Adam West memes at this point.
And you keep right on drinking the Kool Aid:techman:
 
Correction: Many people are, but you weren't, because you believe it's a reboot and the producers are simply liars. We know this. Everyone knows what you think. You apply the same vapid arguments to every topic remotely related to visuals or continuity. You might as well just write a bot that spits out Ferengi and Adam West memes at this point.

The evidence would suggest that it is reboot or a parallel reality. Stamets acknowledged the existence of alternate realities in episode 9. What are the odds of them being in the same reality as TOS given all of the differences we have seen and potentially infinite alternate realities out there? But the writers state that this series takes place in the prime timeline. But what the writers state is not considered part of canon material. According to the IP owners of Star Trek what ends up on the TV is considered canon. Unless they state otherwise it is what it is.
 
The evidence would suggest that it is reboot or a parallel reality. Stamets acknowledged the existence of alternate realities in episode 9. What are the odds of them being in the same reality as TOS given all of the differences we have seen and potentially infinite alternate realities out there? But the writers state that this series takes place in the prime timeline.
There has been absolutely no evidence storywise that they were in an alternate reality prior to the final jump. The "odds" of them being in the same one? What kind of question is that? You know there are also thousands of potential years, so what are the odds of it taking place in 2256? This show isn't a random occurrence. It's a fictional story purposefully written. The odds of it existing in the setting the writers say it does is pretty damn high.
 
Yet you’re the one ignoring facts
If by "facts" you mean "ignore TOS, pretend everyone wasn't amazed by cloaking technology, pretend Spock meant there had been a mutiny when he said there hadn't" and the rest, then yes.

I don't get the intensity of these reactions. They deliberately and inarguably changed the visuals and it's clear they're treating the story as loosely. It doesnt make the show any lesser.
 
There has been absolutely no evidence storywise that they were in an alternate reality prior to the final jump. The "odds" of them being in the same one? What kind of question is that? You know there are also thousands of potential years, so what are the odds of it taking place in 2256? This show isn't a random occurrence. It's a fictional story purposefully written. The odds of it existing in the setting the writers say it does is pretty damn high.
How do you tell the difference between Worf's reality where everything was the same except his birthday cake was yellow instead of chocolate? If there are infinite realities that resemble the prime universe with an equal likelihood of being the reality that Discovery takes place in then the odds that Discovery takes place in the prime reality is infintecimal
 
How do you tell the difference between Worf's reality where everything was the same except his birthday cake was yellow instead of chocolate? If there are infinite realities that resemble the prime universe with an equal likelihood of being the reality that Discovery takes place in then the odds that Discovery takes place in the prime reality is infintecimal
Since you've done nothing but regurgitate the same senseless question again, my response remains the same: This show isn't a random occurrence. It's a fictional story purposefully written. The odds of it existing in the setting the writers say it does is pretty damn high.


If by "facts" you mean "ignore TOS, pretend everyone wasn't amazed by cloaking technology, pretend Spock meant there had been a mutiny when he said there hadn't" and the rest, then yes.

I don't get the intensity of these reactions. They deliberately and inarguably changed the visuals and it's clear they're treating the story as loosely. It doesnt make the show any lesser.
It isn't about whether the show would be "lesser" if your conspiracy theory were true. It's that you're blatantly in denial of the fact that this is an original timeline show.

If you want to nitpick about apparent continuity errors, there are already plenty of threads that dive into those in detail. But we all know that regardless of anything brought to your attention, you will simply arrive at the same brilliant conclusion that it's a reboot because the lights are dark and Lorca reminds you of Christian Bale.
 
If by "facts" you mean "ignore TOS, pretend everyone wasn't amazed by cloaking technology
But they weren't. Go watch.

pretend Spock meant there had been a mutiny when he said there hadn't"
He never said that at all. Go watch. And stop citing it to "The Menagerie" because it's from "The Tholian Web" (TOS).

I don't get the intensity of these reactions.
With all due respect, it's because your statements are often factually incorrect and taken out of context, and your repeated use of them often seems implicitly in service of some longstanding agenda you evidently have of making minor perceived inconsistencies that are easily and plausibly explainable into indicators that there actually is no inter-show continuity worth undertaking even the most meager of efforts to preserve, when in fact the writers are taking great pains (and effective ones, for the most part) to do exactly that. You may not mean to belittle their labors, but you continue to do so.

-MMoM:D
 
It's not a reboot unless it explicitly says that it is. OTOH it IS a television show made more than fifty years after the original started.

If something doesn't mesh with TOS (or ENT) then it's just a different choice. Take it or leave it.
 
Since you've done nothing but regurgitate the same senseless question again, my response remains the same: This show isn't a random occurrence. It's a fictional story purposefully written. The odds of it existing in the setting the writers say it does is pretty damn high.
But what the writers say is not what canon is officially. It would be a special pleading fallacy to say otherwise. It's what gets put up on the screen--that's what determines canon unless they change that policy someday.
 
The producers asserting something doesn't make it so. It simply speaks to their alleged intent, which seems to be more or less a shell game.
 
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