Leave DSC as it is. Claim it was a testbed for tech that is not going into ships of the line anytime soon. Lorca does not like WNMHGB uniforms and refuses to change into them.
so the producers and writers said that discovery will lead into TOS (60's aesthetics and all)...
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I thought they might go with that angle but we have seen that other ships and tech also has the same modern look. I think you could see the look outside of the ship change a little bit at a time. You can just run with the idea that the ship needs a refit but for whatever reason the refit keeps getting pushed back because of various plot reasons.
Jason
Again, our ONLY point of reference for how Starfleet ships looked and functioned in the TOS period is the Enterprise herself and her identical sister ships, which were emphasized repeatedly as being unique and different and "special" with respect to all (unseen) others. See for instance "Tomorrow Is Yesterday" (TOS) and "Bread And Circuses" (TOS) for direct statements to this effect. That the Constitution class would be an outlier in terms of appearance is right in line with the original text itself.
(Yeah, yeah, someone's going to mention the barely-discernable Franz Joseph ships on the background displays in TWOK...which only illustrates both that they could have come about later than DSC and coexisted right alongside the movie-era designs, despite their drastically different aesthetics!)
-MMoM
(Yeah, yeah, someone's going to mention the barely-discernable Franz Joseph ships on the background displays in TWOK...which only illustrates both that they could have come about later than DSC and coexisted right alongside the movie-era designs, despite their drastically different aesthetics!)
-MMoM
Everything about the Constitutions is that they are unique in the Fleet, not standard ships of the line.Again, our ONLY point of reference for how Starfleet ships looked and functioned in the TOS period is the Enterprise herself and her identical sister ships, which were emphasized repeatedly as being unique and different and "special" with respect to all (unseen) others. See for instance "Tomorrow Is Yesterday" (TOS) and "Bread And Circuses" (TOS) for direct statements to this effect. That the Constitution class would be an outlier in terms of appearance is right in line with the original text itself.
(Yeah, yeah, someone's going to mention the barely-discernable Franz Joseph ships on the background displays in TWOK...which only illustrates both that they could have come about later than DSC and coexisted right alongside the movie-era designs, despite their drastically different aesthetics!)
-MMoM
I could almost see the Franz Joseph Constitution-class based ships being built as a consequence of this war. If Starfleet lost a lot of their older ships, but Constitutions proved to be superior or at least equal to the Klingon forces, it make sense to repeat that success, even if on a smaller scale by building smaller (quicker to complete) starships without a secondary hull, but with the engine and weapons systems of the Constitution, as well as the apparent excellent hull material/design if it was proven to be more resilient than the other Starfleet designs available during the war.
It could be a short lived program to get fleet numbers up again from 2257 to 2267, but after that it starts to become clear that the Constitutions are starting to become outdated, but they don't want to lose those remaining hulls, so they refit them with new technology as the Miranda and Constellation class starships are produced. The Excelsior class becoming the next thing that counters both Klingon and Romulan fleet expansions and manages to counter Cardassian ship designs in ways the Miranda, Constellations, and the few old Constitutions cannot.
Meanwhile the Crossfield class does its thing, gets refit a few more times before being retired. The other surviving ships from the war soldier on until they too are retired or refit.
It could be a short lived program to get fleet numbers up again from 2257 to 2267, but after that it starts to become clear that the Constitutions are starting to become outdated, but they don't want to lose those remaining hulls, so they refit them with new technology as the Miranda and Constellation class starships are produced. The Excelsior class becoming the next thing that counters both Klingon and Romulan fleet expansions and manages to counter Cardassian ship designs in ways the Miranda, Constellations, and the few old Constitutions cannot.
Meanwhile the Crossfield class does its thing, gets refit a few more times before being retired. The other surviving ships from the war soldier on until they too are retired or refit.
They could go the BATTLESTAR GALACTICA route explaining the Constitution classes were intentionally built with more basic retro tech.
I'm actually kidding.
I'm actually kidding.
If only they hadn't already done that ages ago in an ENT novel to explain why it looks so much more advanced than TOS...
Well, the Constitutions were all definitely refit during or after the war at some point because in Pike's time (the era ST: D starts in) the crew compliment was stated as 203. Ten years later, in Kirk's era, the crew compliment in now 430. Also, there may have been MANY more of them (IE a lot of them may have been lost/destroyed) because again, if Kirk's time, there are only 12 or 13 (depending on how you interpret Kirk's line in TOS - "Tomorrow Is Yesterday" that: "...there are only 12 like it in the Fleet..."
Given te sire of the Galaxy and the size of the Federation - I always thought that number was small.
God bless you. I view the show in this manner myself.
Of course they did.
Funnily, I always viewed the Constitution as looking more advanced than the NX from the outside. The NX looking more bulky and metallic compared to the more pristine looking ship Kirk commands. It was most apparent in the mirror episode.
That refurbished model recently displayed looks beautiful, so much that if TOS could have been able to remaster the f/x in the same manner as TNG the 1701 footage would look amazing.
It's only the interiors that truly look dated.
Well, the Constitutions were all definitely refit during or after the war at some point because in Pike's time (the era ST: D starts in) the crew compliment was stated as 203. Ten years later, in Kirk's era, the crew compliment in now 430. Also, there may have been MANY more of them (IE a lot of them may have been lost/destroyed) because again, if Kirk's time, there are only 12 or 13 (depending on how you interpret Kirk's line in TOS - "Tomorrow Is Yesterday" that: "...there are only 12 like it in the Fleet..."
Given te sire of the Galaxy and the size of the Federation - I always thought that number was small.
Pikes ship could have had a minor refit in between DSC and the major overhaul before Kirk took over.
In-universe it all gets a bit muddled, because out-of-universe there were two different filming models with different details, which IIRC both got modified (at least the eleven-footer did) between the two pilots, and then again for the series proper. But shots of both in all their configurations got re-used throughout the show.
http://www.trekplace.com/tosfxcatalog.html
Borrowing this for my sig.
Faulty chameleon circuit. That's a thing in Star Trek, right?
Someone should replace the NX-01 in that picture with discovery. It would be interesting to see how it looks next to the Constitution
It's what Voyager used.
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