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Voyager season 7

Let me see . . . among my favorites are:

"Unimatrix Zero, Part II"
"Drive" *
"Critical Care"
"Body and Soul" *
"Flesh and Blood"
"Shattered" *
"Lineage" *
"Prophecy" (rather fun)
"Workforce" *
"Author, Author"
"Friendship One"
"Homestead"
"Renaissance Man"
"Engame" *

* - really enjoyed
 
I can see some clear overlap with most peoples' favorite episodes. I am looking forward to Workforce, Lineage, and The Void in particular and...


...I just watched Shattered late last night (maybe early this morning actually) and loved it! You guys were right. :D Of course, Chak is such a pleasure to look at that I could probably stare at him alone in a barren room for 45 minutes, but the plot and actions within the ep were also great. I liked "revisiting" some of those past experiences without them being clips from previous eps (@Prax I think you described it perfectly as a clip show without the clips).
I do wonder if all the blasts to the temporal prime directive will affect events in future eps (other than Janeway knowing where the cider is hidden I suppose). I also wonder if Chak was actually physically moving to different areas of the galaxy as he time traveled? Some of the stuff happens in different locations... how does that work? Anyway, I am not sure if there was a "point" to all that occurred in this one, but it was certainly a fun ride while it lasted.

and this from Seska:

SESKA: ... You know, it's true what they say.
CHAKOTAY: What's that?
SESKA: Men just get more distinguished as they get older. A few lines here, a little grey there. It adds character.

...you got it, sister! You're the villain I love to hate, but you're right on the money here, girl!
 
Isn't it great? I've rewatched that episode more than most other episodes. I've rewatched "Relativity" a bunch of times as well. The woman who plays Seska is such a good actress. And it was quite indulging to see Seven surprise and subdue her.

But what I really love about this episode, is the chemistry between Chakotay and Janeway. They worked so well together here, and it's such a creative dynamic to have "7 years in the DQ" Chakotay paired with "Maiden Voyage" Janeway. He knows her so well, but she has not yet met him, but they connect quickly.

Janeway: "You've read Dante?"
Chakotay: "You loaned me your book"
Janeway: "My fiancé gave me that book as a gift. I've never loaned it to anyone "
Chakotay: "Not yet, you haven't"


It's truly one of my favorite episodes of the series.
 
But what I really love about this episode, is the chemistry between Chakotay and Janeway.
Agreed. And coming from me that's saying something since I am not a J/C person. They had more chemistry in this ep (and, as you said, without Janeway really knowing Chakotay) compared to almost the entire rest of the series, save one or two episodes (or maybe a handful of scenes) that I can't recall precisely right now (and no, it's not the ep when they are stranded on the planet together). Still, it's not nearly the chemistry that Janeway had with Kashyk imo, but better than in the past.
I can definitely see the rewatch value in Shattered; when I rewatch the series a second time I expect more of the nuances and subtleties to gel in my brain (that's what happens when I rewatch certain films) meaning I might enjoy it even more the next time around...
 
Yesterday's views:

Lineage- I liked this ep for the attention it gave B'Elanna and Tom... though I cannot relate to B'Elanna's emotional reactivity (and her baggage seems mild, comparatively speaking) I like her character, so for that I enjoyed this one. The main positive from this ep for me was the development of the B&T relationship. It seems quite genuine and believable. This is despite the "soap-opera" elements that I didn't particularly care for. And it wasn't cheesy, which I greatly appreciate. Cheese is easy to fall into and harder to avoid with content like this, so I applaud TPTB for that.
I guess the deeper message in this one is "just because we can does that mean we should"?... or something.

Repentance- though completely different from Lineage, and I liked it less than the preceding ep. Not because I didn't think it was good (the performances were good, the plot subject an interesting one), but there wasn't anything that really stood out to separate it from the flock, so to speak. Also, Seven's propensity for comparing her Borg-baggage to other similar emotional baggage (in this case it wasn't as similar even than in past eps) is getting a little repetitive. It wasn't done badly here, but it's just nothing new and I would have preferred to see the Janeway-Seven mentor-friendship develop a little differently (or them having "that conversation" yet again handled a little differently). I also randomly just happened to watch this ep straight on the heels of TOS Menagerie, which covers somewhat similar topic.

...any other ST eps deal with the death penalty at all? This was basically outlawed in Starfleet, I guess, ages ago, but it's still going great guns out on the DQ apparently.
 
Yes, B'Elanna overreacts badly to her childhood teasing in Lineage, and her father is right to say she is overly sensitive. But she was right about one thing. When her father said being teased about sleeping in class by being called John Snore-es was the same thing as being teased about being half-Klingon is wrong. He was being teased about what he did and she was being teased about what she was. Not the same at all, as you can change what you do, but you can't change what you are.
 
Yes, B'Elanna overreacts badly to her childhood teasing in Lineage, and her father is right to say she is overly sensitive. But she was right about one thing. When her father said being teased about sleeping in class by being called John Snore-es was the same thing as being teased about being half-Klingon is wrong. He was being teased about what he did and she was being teased about what she was. Not the same at all, as you can change what you do, but you can't change what you are.
Oh, most certainly, she was right regarding her father's point of view (or his analogy was off, whatever). I didn't mean that I thought her stance was wrong or incorrect; I just don't relate to the emotional content and reactivity is all. And I do think she overreacts but, again, I guess that is just part and parcel for her personality type and/or genetic makeup.
 
Well, I've finally begun season 7 and I just watched Body & Soul yesterday, so it seemed like as good a time as any to start this thread.
I've enjoyed practically every minute of this series (save a small handful of eps that I could have done without, and possibly will do without on a future series rewatch), and I'm looking forward to seeing where this season takes our heroes and how the the episodes build for the finale. I know how the series ends, but only in a very general sense, without any of of the details, so I'm curious and a little excited to see where this goes.

Here is what I've seen so far,

Imperfection: drats! on Mezoti leaving since she was my favorite of the "Borg kids"... those kids didn't last too long on the show. This was a great Seven ep though. Even though the somewhat repetitive nature of putting Seven's vulnerability on display does serve to advance the human part of her character, I do wonder if there would be a more complex (or at least varying) manner in which this could be accomplished? Not that I'm complaining because I love the character and seeing her appear as vulnerable is very "human", so it serves its purpose. Those Borg nodes and conduits are a pan in the ass... they elevate Seven, but at the same time cause her to be restricted (not to mentioned harmed) in ways that humans don't normally have to deal with. This was also a good ep for Icheb and really my only gripe (my previous mild criticism aside) is the writers may have over-used the stubborn aspect of Seven's nature here...pushing her too far into that extreme, as everyone was trying to convince her to let them help.

Drive: Tom and B'Elanna rock as a couple imo, and I liked the exchange in this one between Seven and B'Elanna; it was almost as if Seven reciprocated from their scene together in Imperfection. And... poor Harry, again. This really was an ep for Tom and B'Elanna though... and it succeeded. The only thing I didn't like was the closing shot of the Delta Flyer cruising away with the just married trailing behind it. I thought that was cheesy as hell... but part of that was due to late-90s computer effects being... meh.

Repression: I liked this ep okay, but I think I would have appreciated it a lot more if it had occurred during season 1 or 2, rather than 7. The subject matter felt, to me, a little like water under the bridge, at least at this point in the series. Also, something about the manner in which Teero was presented, or his actions/interactions with the crew were presented, didn't work for me. I can't really figure another to to write out my thoughts on that since it's an abstract reaction I had, but Teero didn't seem integrated enough with the actions in the episode, somehow. So, this one was just okay, but not bad by any means...

Critical Care: this ep will forever stick in my brain as the ep where I truly began to appreciate the Doc a little more. I like the character, but there are some things about him that stick in my craw. This episode doesn't erase that feeling (since it's attached to a particular instance or another character, more or less),but the Doc's more ethical and caring human side was developed and put to good use here, more so than in the past imo.

Inside Man: this was an entertaining enough ep, but I'm not sure it will stick in my memory for any length of time. I'm kind of lukewarm on Barclay, but my engagement increased a little with the addition of the holo-version. And, is there an episode of ST where the Ferengi are presented as anything other than shallow, swindling, money-grubbers? Maybe I just haven't seen enough Star Trek yet... also, the ending to this one, in my humble opinion only, was not clear enough on initial view. Specifically, the piece when Chak asks Kim if he can get a transporter lock to beam 7 out of the pod... I don;t even think Kim verbally responds and, visually it wasn't clear to me that he actually beamed her out. I had rewind that twice to confirm what happened during that scene. It seemed to jump straight over to Harry in the mess hall prodding that green slime.

Body and Soul: now this episode was great, if only for light-hearted comic relief! Ryan did a fantastic job of impersonating Picardo imo and this is at least the second time she's gotten this type of material (Infinite regress was the other notable time), although it doesn't come around that often. The actress probably welcomed a chance to play outside of the "ice cold Borg" persona a bit. I laughed out loud several times though and, despite the "fluffy" nature of this one, it worked for me. It also further solidified my stance that, while the Doc and Seven do have chemistry together, it's more of a brother-sister or platonic chemistry than anything else. At least for me... I've seen a bunch of people say they thought Seven should have wound up with the Doc as a romantic interest, but I don't see it. Part of it is, despite their contrary (and sometimes complimentary) differences, they also share some of the same failings or weaknesses. Just my read on that... other than that I also like how the aliens in this one at least saw some of the error in their prejudices by the end of the ep.


"Body and Soul" strained at times, but Picardo and Ryan both hit triple home runs in this episode.

That and whenever Star Trek has a food scene, I end up getting hungry. I ever do dislike that.

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I wonder if every alien can process cheesecake's ingredients without getting ill... no lactose intolerance or diabetes issues there... :D
 
Critical Care, Workforce and The Void are the ones in season 7 that really stand out to me as great episodes. A few other good ones, a lot of forced ones.
 
Critical Care, Workforce and The Void are the ones in season 7 that really stand out to me as great episodes. A few other good ones, a lot of forced ones.
I'm up to Workforce, but haven't watched it yet. It'll probably have to wait until the holiday is over though. That does seem to be one of the "consensus" best eps of s7. Once I realized how close I was to the end of the series I put the brakes on a little... it'll be a little sad when it's over.

I quite liked The Void, particularly Janeway's tenacity for sticking to her guns in her plan. Fantome and his kin were pretty neat.
I wasn't as fond of Prophecy, although the nod to stem cell treatments was nice. That was bigger news 15-20 years ago than it is today, but still relevant. Neelix bunking with Tuvok was ridiculous though, partly because Neelix's demeanor there seemed out of character... even for Neelix.
 
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Well, you know what they say..."All good things..."

I like Workforce, especially the ending. Very memorable scene. There's still a few good episodes left, such as Human Error, Author, Author, Homestead, and Renaissance Man.

For the rest:
-Q2 I think is okay(can you guess what it's about?)
-Friendship One is rough. Not because it's bad, just because it's rough. I think you'll understand what I mean when you see it.
-Natural Law is charming. There's one tiny, itty bitty detail I would add that would immediately fix a great and longtime controversy here at trekbbs.

Speaking of which, after you finish, will you then abandon the forum?
 
Natural Law is charming. There's one tiny, itty bitty detail I would add that would immediately fix a great and longtime controversy here at trekbbs.
I bet I can hazard a guess... :p

Speaking of which, after you finish, will you then abandon the forum?
Hell no... so if you were waiting for me to conclude my views and depart for greener pastures, then you are SOL, Prax. Besides, one of us has to keep Thomas Eugene in check with his usage of American slang. ;)
 
Once I realized how close I was to the end of the series I put the brakes on a little... it'll be a little sad when it's over.
The proper way to watch VOY is to rewatch CARETAKER on exactly the same day that you see ENDGAME ... :guffaw:This is what I always do and this ensures a certain continuity ... :lol:

Natural Law is charming. There's one tiny, itty bitty detail I would add that would immediately fix a great and longtime controversy here at trekbbs.
What do you mean? Can you put it under the spoiler icon for me?

I bet I can hazard a guess... :p

Hell no... so if you were waiting for me to conclude my views and depart for greener pastures, then you are SOL, Prax. Besides, one of us has to keep Thomas Eugene in check with his usage of American slang. ;)

Exactly :bolian:. So you could start by telling me what SOL is ... :alienblush:
 
Exactly :bolian:. So you could start by telling me what SOL is ... :alienblush:
Aaaaaahhh.... this is an R-board, yes? ;) That's an acronym for "Shit Out of Luck".... use it wisely, young Jedi!

Also, thanks for bumping and reminding me of this thread. All that turkey and mashed potatoes was clogging my memory.

I did watch Workforce 1 & 2 yesterday before I commenced my social activities for the evening, and it was a pretty entertaining affair. I can see why there is a sect of VOY fans who are in support of the Janeway/Jaffen pairing... of course she wasn't herself when they displayed their chemistry on screen and it still paled compared to the sparks that flew with Kashyk during Counterpoint. ;)
Also, my undying attraction to the ultimate-sexiness that is Chakotay must hinge, in part, on his eyes/forehead/bridge of nose area since I found him approximately 14.7% less attractive with that alien makeup slapped on his brow...

Frivolity aside: I did like this two-parter... Tuvok rocks once again and here serves as the catalyst of sorts to end the charade. I also liked Seven's role and the guest actors (Robert Joy and the dude who played Jaffen, in particular) were solid. It was nicely paced and concluded well. It's far from my favorite double-header for the series, but it was a welcome event since there were no mid-season double shots in all of season 6. I kind of missed that...
 
The proper way to watch VOY is to rewatch CARETAKER on exactly the same day that you see ENDGAME ... :guffaw:This is what I always do and this ensures a certain continuity ... :lol:


What do you mean? Can you put it under the spoiler icon for me?
I can't. I don't trust CM to not peek.

BTW, you may have been joking, but that's actually a really good idea. I think I'll do that(watch caretaker then endgame) It would probably make a really good self contained story.
 
I can see some clear overlap with most peoples' favorite episodes. I am looking forward to Workforce, Lineage, and The Void in particular and...


...I just watched Shattered late last night (maybe early this morning actually) and loved it! You guys were right. :D Of course, Chak is such a pleasure to look at that I could probably stare at him alone in a barren room for 45 minutes, but the plot and actions within the ep were also great. I liked "revisiting" some of those past experiences without them being clips from previous eps (@Prax I think you described it perfectly as a clip show without the clips).
I do wonder if all the blasts to the temporal prime directive will affect events in future eps (other than Janeway knowing where the cider is hidden I suppose). I also wonder if Chak was actually physically moving to different areas of the galaxy as he time traveled? Some of the stuff happens in different locations... how does that work? Anyway, I am not sure if there was a "point" to all that occurred in this one, but it was certainly a fun ride while it lasted.

and this from Seska:

SESKA: ... You know, it's true what they say.
CHAKOTAY: What's that?
SESKA: Men just get more distinguished as they get older. A few lines here, a little grey there. It adds character.

...you got it, sister! You're the villain I love to hate, but you're right on the money here, girl!
I'm glad you enjoyed Shattered because it was what I would call a pleasure to watch. Little surprises and fun vignettes around every corner. Past, Future, black and white Chaotica. I also give Beltran credit for his effortless portrayal just keeping it all together.
 
Aaaaaahhh.... this is an R-board, yes? ;) That's an acronym for "Shit Out of Luck".... use it wisely, young Jedi!
:D:D:D Thanks, I'll be careful with this expression then.
Btw, I don't even know what an R-board is. What's that?
approximately 14.7% less attractive
This is a Tuvok kind of approximation, isn't it? :devil: You must love the character. So do I, in fact and on these boards he hasn't been bashed quite as much as on IMDB in the good old days. There he had to take the rap all the time for being very UnVulcan because he feels so much anger.
I can't. I don't trust CM to not peek.
:brickwall::brickwall::brickwall:
And: :wah::wah::wah:
And: :crazy::crazy::crazy:
I can't. I don't trust CM to not peek.

BTW, you may have been joking, but that's actually a really good idea. I think I'll do that(watch caretaker then endgame) It would probably make a really good self contained story.
I wasn't joking - however, I didn't mean it the way you understood it. I always watch ENDGAME and immediately after that I watch CARETAKER again so that it'll force me to want to watch the show again and again ... :guffaw:This is the key to watching it for the 37th time atm. Last night I watched FAIR TRADE (when I wasn't fighting the Sith :D) - and it was an elevating experience for the 37th time as well. The Hirogen and the Borg might be my fav aliens but I'd sure as hell want to spend my time with the Talaxians if I were in the DQ.
 
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