George Takei accused of sexual assault.
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How is he 'deflecting?' He has published a categoric denial and also a follow-up explaining and apologising for the Stern sketch. I think his position is pretty clear - it didn't happen.
Whether we believe him or not is a different matter, but he has set out his stall.
Whether we believe him or not is a different matter, but he has set out his stall.
We'll see how close he gets to his 10 million downvotes.
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Blaming Trump? Russia?
He's squirming, and thinking he can use the media's default obsession with Trump/Russia to give cover to his own actions, which--if true--are the height of loathsome behavior.
Stern's question is very uniformed and a little ignorant.
There are places, where gay men go to for the purpose to have sex. Like the place where they arrested George Michael some years ago.
It was especially common when being gay was a crime or your social death. You went there, you approached someone nonverbally and you had quick sex and then you went back into the closet. The same with "they came to my home". There are websites where you can make a sex date.
And it's still there. There are bars, clubs, spas etc, even ships for this sole purpose. And no, you don't ask specifically for "permission", since it's a sex place.
Not all gay men frequent those places but the older ones most often have because being gay was - again - either a crime or your social death.
And taking that context in 2017, to judge it morally... in 1972 one of the frist movies about gay life was made. The title was "Not the homosexual is a pervert, the situtation he lives in, is".
I'm not sure if that has been quoted in this thread yet, as there has been so much activity here. ABC News reported on it here:
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment...g-touching-men-howard-stern/story?id=51138769
Edit: Marsh already quoted it above.
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Ok, I wanted to chime in after reading Takei's response to his own comments on Stern.
In a nutshell, he said it was a joke and he was playing the role of a "bad grandpa".
While he only has 1 accusation against him, I'm inclined to accept his explanation. But if even one more person accuses him, I don't think his joking explanation can be believable.
So I'm HOPING nothing else comes to light and whatever happened with the 1 man accusing him was a 'misunderstanding' of some sort that can be resolved between them.
In a nutshell, he said it was a joke and he was playing the role of a "bad grandpa".
While he only has 1 accusation against him, I'm inclined to accept his explanation. But if even one more person accuses him, I don't think his joking explanation can be believable.
So I'm HOPING nothing else comes to light and whatever happened with the 1 man accusing him was a 'misunderstanding' of some sort that can be resolved between them.
That would have been a great response...if George had actually said that. But his explanation of his Stern comments is that he was simply joking, nothing to do with the complexity of the issue you described above.
You refer to the 1971 German film Nicht der Homosexuelle ist pervers, sondern die Situation, in der er lebt (It Is Not the Homosexual Who Is Perverse, But the Society in Which He Lives), which was released in the US almost seven years later. Most of the film was posted to YouTube in a playlist, but the first part was deleted, and—sadly—there are no subtitles.
There's an interesting essay about the film, Rosa Von Praunheim and the Limits of Provocation, here.
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@Maurice: Yes, that's the one and it was a major scandal. One of many scandals of Rosa. In the 90s he outed some people in the public, which was another great debate. He also made some more obscure movies like "The Bettwurst" (you can get an impression on youtube even if you don't understand german) and even some serious historical ones and one about the german cannibal.
The film is a bit like "The boys in the band" but more like a documentary. I guess I will have to watch both of them again, ... some day, but somehow I never do.
@JackSparrowJive: I don't know the show, I've seen two clips on youtube and know the name Harold (edit: erm, Howard) Stern, so like I said, I don't know how to take this short clip. It's nonsense that suddenly gets a different context.
The film is a bit like "The boys in the band" but more like a documentary. I guess I will have to watch both of them again, ... some day, but somehow I never do.
@JackSparrowJive: I don't know the show, I've seen two clips on youtube and know the name Harold (edit: erm, Howard) Stern, so like I said, I don't know how to take this short clip. It's nonsense that suddenly gets a different context.
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The terrible film version of "Staircase" from 1969 goes into that a bit, too.
This thread is not unlike the one filled with speculation about what caused the final Shatner-Nimoy rift. As in that case, if you aren't one of the two people involved, you're likely never going to know for sure.
And as for what Takei said on Stern's show, I didn't see it as damning as some others seem to. I did see it as idiotic, the same as what I have always thought about his completely affected "naughty gay grandpa" routine, which he seems to have trotted out a little over a decade ago. It worked for Paul Lynde and Charles Nelson Reilly I guess, and may well have helped make Takei the social media icon he is.
What a pity if that routine, which should merely be an embarrassment to him, ends up swaying public opinion one way or the other about Takei (fans sure can be fickle). Again, it will have no relevance to whether the allegations are true or not.
And as for what Takei said on Stern's show, I didn't see it as damning as some others seem to. I did see it as idiotic, the same as what I have always thought about his completely affected "naughty gay grandpa" routine, which he seems to have trotted out a little over a decade ago. It worked for Paul Lynde and Charles Nelson Reilly I guess, and may well have helped make Takei the social media icon he is.
What a pity if that routine, which should merely be an embarrassment to him, ends up swaying public opinion one way or the other about Takei (fans sure can be fickle). Again, it will have no relevance to whether the allegations are true or not.
His comments to Shatner on his roast were quite weird too even if he didn't like the man! "F*** you and the horse you rode in on!" And it looked like he was ready to unleash more of the same too but somehow found the strength to resist it!
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No offense, but you seemed pretty strident about Takei being guilty, but now because he offered an explanation you find palatable, you change your mind? That's probably the best reason why the mob being driven merely by accusations is not a good way to adjudicate a crime.
Yea he argued with me for pages and pages about it :-) next time just agree with me sheesh
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