I guess there is something wrong with me. It looks, and feels like Trek to me. Yeah I'm not thrilled with the Klingon look, but I get it I'm sure the fandom went nuts when TMP was released with those Klingons as well. In fact the only thing I can say I "hate" is the whole tying the main character to Sarek opening the door for all those finding humanity episodes essentially giving us Spock lite with boobs
Let's talk about the elephant in the room, this series violates Roddenberry's vision big time
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I don't remember my little corner of fandom freaking out about the new Klingon makeups back in 1979. We noticed it, of course, but, as I recall, we just chalked up it to a bigger makeup budget and let it go. I remember a lot more jokes and complaints about how TMP borrowed the plot of "The Changeling" more than about the Klingons' makeover.
Of course, this was before fandom became obsessed with "canon."
Well in 1979 what media the fandom had to express them-self : Well basically none!
For the sake of argument, they changed the Klingon, then why not the Vulcan? Or move the timeline 1000 years in the future then you can imagine anything but 10 years before Kirk take command of the Enterprise, at that time Spock was on the Enterprise under Capt Pike's command... I don't mind some "improvement" even some changes but come on this is ridiculous...
For the sake of argument, they changed the Klingon, then why not the Vulcan? Or move the timeline 1000 years in the future then you can imagine anything but 10 years before Kirk take command of the Enterprise, at that time Spock was on the Enterprise under Capt Pike's command... I don't mind some "improvement" even some changes but come on this is ridiculous...
If we survived bumpy-headed Klingons in 1979, modern fans can survive the latest makeover.
Oh Yes I'll survive It's just too bad that fan are not allowed to do their own show now thanks to CBS... (Well Paramount would probably did the same but... I'll let that in a parallel universe 
) But Fan are what keep the franchise alive may be they should remember that sometime...
Cheers on that note
I'll stay on my bridge for now
It's just too bad that fan are not allowed to do their own show now thanks to CBS... (Well Paramount would probably did the same but... I'll let that in a parallel universe ) But Fan are what keep the franchise alive may be they should remember that sometime... Cheers on that note
I'll stay on my bridge for now
I read somewhere that it was possible because of Netflix and subscribers from different parts of the world. It's also likely that many of these subscribers are not interested in STD but in other shows and offerings of the streaming company.
That fan base needs to grow too.Oh Yes I'll survive
Has TNG EVER explained how a supposedly French Captain (Picard) was SOOO British/English in EVERY other aspect?
About that ... After Stewart was selected, why didn't they simply change the background story of the character slightly to make him British instead? It's not as if it really makes any difference to his characterisation. And probably better than either ignoring that in fact he has a British accent (or making up rationalisations such as 'the UT renders his speech that way') or trying to make him talk with a fake French accent....
"the french language is obsolete in the 24th century" - that greatly annoyed the french
they probably wanted to cut back on english speaking (today, in the 24th century nearly everybody speaks english with an american accent) characters
personally i think nobody happened to know any french actors (they have a tendency to speak french in movies) and they thought no american would notice the difference anyway
John Luke Pickering.. not rolling off my tongue.
As it turned out, the first fan speculation about the Klingons ("self-inflicted mutataion of the Klingon race in order to gain some mental or physical advantage") was route decided on by the last season of Star Trek: Enterprise.
Now...what will be the winning theory about the Star Trek: Discovery Klingons?
And as pointed out, change for the sake of change and having more money is not always a good thing. The poor actors in Discovery have too much makeup and teeth to properly emote. And they cannot properly deliver their Klingon lines with the flair actors use to give the Klingons (speaking the same language) back in the TNG-ENT era. Or the likes of Christopher Lloyd before that era.
Now...what will be the winning theory about the Star Trek: Discovery Klingons?
And as pointed out, change for the sake of change and having more money is not always a good thing. The poor actors in Discovery have too much makeup and teeth to properly emote. And they cannot properly deliver their Klingon lines with the flair actors use to give the Klingons (speaking the same language) back in the TNG-ENT era. Or the likes of Christopher Lloyd before that era.
I was born after the fact, so watching TOS and say The Search for Spock contemporary to each other on BBC as a 4 year old is probably why I didn't find it jarring.
I don't care about what some Star Trek revisionists say (e.g. TNG was a "wrong view of the future", which is complete nonsense, or Gene Roddenberry was a drunkard, etc.), I respect the man (The Great Bird of the Galaxy) and his "vision". Gene wasn't a saint, and his vision of the future wasn't an exact prediction. But it's a nice view of the future (in many ways a socialist-like future, which is probably the reason why it now seems to be disliked and rejected by some since we all currently live in a hardcore capitalist society), positive and optimistic, with morality tales that are supposed to make us question things about ourselves (TOS, TNG et al). Roddenberry wanted to show what humanity had the potential and capacity to develop into, not what it is. This series seems to be an antithesis to all of those precepts. It shows rather the negative aspects of humanity instead of accentuating the positive ones and depicting values worth aspiring to. It's a failure in many ways. Sorry, I'm afraid I don't have much positive to say about STD (the show itself doesn't seem to want to be positive, but rather negative). I have to agree with the OP, this series completely veers off course, totally disregarding Roddenberry's ethos.
Well Sir you're a bigger nerds than me
To be fair in 1980 I was 8 years old. At that time I was watching TOS on a 12" B/W TV I only saw the movie I would say 6 years latter just before TNG first aired, so no the "New" Klingon looks didn't shock me. But comparing series you can recognize a Klingon :
TOS :
MP :
TNG :
DS9 :
ENT :
Sorry but I don't recognize them here :
As always LLAP
