The funny thing is that I've been criticizing the shit out of STD and even I enjoyed this episode. If they can rectify all the weird continuity stuff (which they claimed they would) somehow even I have hope.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x07 - "Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad"
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And here I thought it was because that song is considered the epitome of the 1970ies 'Disco' era.
And I thought it was a clever reference to the problems of breaking out of a routine and connecting emotionally. I gave them too much credit.And here I thought it was because that song is considered the epitome of the 1970ies 'Disco' era.
Yeah, I agree that this couldn't have been an episode added late in the episode. This episode had too much character development for Burnham and the Burnham/Ash relationship to just be crammed in randomly.
They didn't finish filming the season until earlier this month.
I think what realistically happened is either: (1) as they were breaking the stories for the season, they realized they needed more and probably asked CBS for more episodes, or (2) CBS were always planning to split the season and wanted a couple more episodes so that the two halves weren't as short. Keep in mind that the announcement of the extended season order was in May at the Upfronts - but the decision was probably made way before that.
I think the to episodes we got on the U. S. S. Shenzhou were what was added. I think they always planned to film all of that, BUT they were going to insert it as long flashback sequences (and pad out the length of the episodes to account for it) in the first few episodes; but as they were breaking things out, they figured there was enough material to make the 'prequel story' its own episode; and they liked that better then doing it in Flashback, and CBS agreed and then had them stick to more traduitional episode lengths, so if/when CBS decides it's time to sell broadcast rights to a cable outlet in the future (if they ever do) - the episodes are pretty much 'standard' length to be able to do that more easily. The two premiere episodes have had the shortest running length in the entire series run to date.
I'm agreeing with this, based on seeing tweets from Chris Obi (T'Kuvma). He tweeted early on in production on his mornings going to the set (my thinking is for the segments that would be used for flashbacks), filmed other appearances like American Gods, then tweeted a good while later that he was going back to film for DSC more.
My thinking is that they originally filmed shorter segments and when the two episodes were added, they went and made the flashbacks two full-length episodes.
Degrading quality of recordings is a problem that was solved decades ago.
Everything will survive the next 300 years.
That includes that video you posted on Facebook that one time. Yes, that one.
Okay, so was Worf requesting Klingon opera another screwup? Or did you think that was contemporary 2360s music?That still doesn't make it work for Discovery .. I mean how would it? I don't get that kind of 'argument'. Discovery is screwing with it's era.. answer.. other Star Trek has stuffed up too.
Wh... are you serious? That's how it works? Hmm. So Adele brought back soul from the 60s in 2008... so in 2018, we will be listening to disco again?
Well now, that's just plain inaccurate. Kirk and the boys are just as guilty. Maybe you're thinking of 24th century Starfleet standards. Like Janeway said, the lot of them would have been booted out by then.
Watched it Monday night and liked it, I give it a 7.5.
However Harry Mudd was completely different in character from his TOS persona, he was downright evil (unless a stretch being mentally rehabilitated, Federation style, did work after all and turned him into a less dangerous rogue) and he should have been arrested for attempted murder, if they could not prove outright murders of multiple Starfleet crew, for this the ending for me sucked.
I like the budding romance between Tyler and Burnham, (I don't think he is Voq, too bleeding obvious), its not often a black actress is the love interest in interracial set ups, (Scandal being the exception to the Hollywood rule).
Stamets was great! He is getting more and more and likeable, I suspect there will be dangerous side effects for him since the spore drive disappears from Starfleet history. Hope he is not killed off!
The Party scene - mmmm will young people in 300 years spend their nights dancing to 300 year old human music....I doubt it. Its like going to a club in 2017 and dancing to Mozart.
However Harry Mudd was completely different in character from his TOS persona, he was downright evil (unless a stretch being mentally rehabilitated, Federation style, did work after all and turned him into a less dangerous rogue) and he should have been arrested for attempted murder, if they could not prove outright murders of multiple Starfleet crew, for this the ending for me sucked.
I like the budding romance between Tyler and Burnham, (I don't think he is Voq, too bleeding obvious), its not often a black actress is the love interest in interracial set ups, (Scandal being the exception to the Hollywood rule).
Stamets was great! He is getting more and more and likeable, I suspect there will be dangerous side effects for him since the spore drive disappears from Starfleet history. Hope he is not killed off!
The Party scene - mmmm will young people in 300 years spend their nights dancing to 300 year old human music....I doubt it. Its like going to a club in 2017 and dancing to Mozart.
Well hey, this episode actually wasn’t all that bad. I’d rate it a 5 or a 6, since Mudd livens things up. And I happen to love time loop stories.
As for the downside:
The crystal was inside the whale. Stunner. I can’t imagine anyone didn’t guess that, once Burnham mentioned that Mudd must have hidden it nearby.
Burnham’s romantic entanglement: Meh. Sorry writers, it doesn’t really work. You can’t spend 6 episodes not doing anything with a character except having her react to stuff, and then suddenly throw in a little romance
Burnham & Tyler: At this point it’s obvious that they’re aiming for Burnham to fall madly in love with Tyler. But shock! Horror! How will Burnham react when she figures out he’s a Klingon?! It’s a classic soap opera plot, and just the thought makes me cringe.
War? What war? We keep hearing about this horrible war that (gasp!) the Federation might lose! ITS A REALLY CLOSE CALL YALL! ONLY THE DISCOVERY CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE!
But then Tyler of course reveals the casualties after many months of war. Ten thousand people dead!
WAT?!? A galactic war engulfing the Federation and the Klingons. Ten thousand dead.
That’s like a really slow six months in Syria today. Heck, I’d expect Andorian Ale would probably kill as many people, if not more, in the Federation alone in the same time.
This doesn’t really sound like a war anymore. More like a border skirmish, or a poorly planned out policing action.
Am I the only one who have a hard time taking a “war” seriously, when the total number of casualties is prob. equal to the number of people who die in freak robot accidents every year?!
As for the downside:
The crystal was inside the whale. Stunner. I can’t imagine anyone didn’t guess that, once Burnham mentioned that Mudd must have hidden it nearby.
Burnham’s romantic entanglement: Meh. Sorry writers, it doesn’t really work. You can’t spend 6 episodes not doing anything with a character except having her react to stuff, and then suddenly throw in a little romance
Burnham & Tyler: At this point it’s obvious that they’re aiming for Burnham to fall madly in love with Tyler. But shock! Horror! How will Burnham react when she figures out he’s a Klingon?! It’s a classic soap opera plot, and just the thought makes me cringe.
War? What war? We keep hearing about this horrible war that (gasp!) the Federation might lose! ITS A REALLY CLOSE CALL YALL! ONLY THE DISCOVERY CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE!
But then Tyler of course reveals the casualties after many months of war. Ten thousand people dead!
WAT?!? A galactic war engulfing the Federation and the Klingons. Ten thousand dead.
That’s like a really slow six months in Syria today. Heck, I’d expect Andorian Ale would probably kill as many people, if not more, in the Federation alone in the same time.
This doesn’t really sound like a war anymore. More like a border skirmish, or a poorly planned out policing action.
Am I the only one who have a hard time taking a “war” seriously, when the total number of casualties is prob. equal to the number of people who die in freak robot accidents every year?!
Its a fantasy of the older men behind the show and also its reality. E.g What did much younger Mrs Catherine Zeta Jones- Douglas II see in much older Kirk Douglas? Guess how old Sir Patrick Stewart's aka Captain Picard (third? fourth?) wife is?
Kinda reminds me of that scene in Futurama where Fry sits in his room surrounded by 20th century stuff and listens to Public Enemy (or some other 90ies rap) and Bender (or Leela) says: “You can’t sit in your room listening to classical music all day long!”
That’s what good sci-fi does.
The party on the Discovery had a lazy, 20th century feeling to it.
The going on about the musical choices on here, but yet the crew on TOS and TNG would go around spouting Shakespeare or Dickens like it was second nature. Hell, even the Klingons claimed it was theirs!
What was funnier was that everyone they quoted it to knew it as well!
What was funnier was that everyone they quoted it to knew it as well!
Nah, because no one really danced to Mozart in the first place. It's more like dancing to this:
Or this:
Which does still happen in the 21st century:
To be fair - all Klingons had read Shakespeare in the original Klingon form.
Bit rot can exist on HDD platters, flash/SSD drives, DVDs and Blu-Rays (even more so with DIY burnable discs than pressed ones)... flash/SSDs are theorized to have up to 10 year data retention, in ideal conditions. An EMP wipes out anything magnetic so if NK launches a shiny happy nuke say "toodles" to the radius where the bomb goes splodey over... there's a reason why countries around NK have more concerns than California...
So the probability is, in 300 years, all the cat videos will be safe. Due only to redundancy and only if major cat-astrophe doesn't happen.
And there's no way humanity can go back to the 1000s, one way or the other.
Why do you think?
Let’s see, a spoiled, daddy’s girl who probably didn’t get to see much of her dad growing up.
Hmmm, I wonder what would make her be attracted to a man old enough to be her father? Surely she isn’t trying to fill a void that was created in her formative years?!
And it couldn’t possibly be the case, that since she was starved of attention growing up, that she is subconsciously seeking attention by finding a partner of dubious social and moral standing?
Cause that’s why we sometimes see couples like that in real life.
Art imitating life.
It has nothing to do with the longevity of physical media, the point is we don't have to worry about that anymore because infinite copying won't degrade a record. I think North Korea would have to perform a deliberate series of surgical strikes to wipe out every copy of Stayin' Alive.
Apples and oranges.
Literature has a timeless quality to it, that light party music doesn’t have.
A well educated renaissance man in the 18th century could quote the classics of Greek and Roman poetry that were written millennia earlier. But he wouldn’t party to 2000 years old music.
Same thing here.
I wouldn’t have a problem with Lorca or Saru quoting Caesar or Machiavelli.
But having people dance to late 20th century club music, as if nothing interesting has happened in popular culture for the past three centuries is just weird.
And really lazy.
They could have kept the suspension of disbelief down to a minimum by having one of the characters say: “Hey, cool idea to have a 20th century theme party!” But nope. That was apparently too much effort.
Instead we got the crew of the Discovery partying to classical music, like a bunch of Y2K LARPers.
Lazy, lazy, lazy.
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All digital music was lost, between the several thousand massive EMP strikes in 2054 followed by a decade without reliable electricity, so later when man started rebuilding his history, Vinyl and paper were about the only things that made the distance.
All digital music was lost, between the several thousand massive EMP strikes in 2054 followed by a decade without reliable electricity, so later when man started rebuilding his history, Vinyl and paper were about the only things that made the distance.
Wow, this one was actually.... fun.
It was great to Rain Wilson's Mudd again, he's definitely been a highlight of the season so far. He was a bit more ruthless here than he was in TOS, but I'm really not to bothered by it, who knows what could have happened to him in the 10 years between Disco and TOS.
I actually liked the party scenes, I thought it was nice to see the characters actually just letting go and having fun. I honestly didn't really notice the music playing, but I'm not bothered by it.
The time loop stuff was pretty good, but nothing really exceptional.
I liked what they did with Burnham and Ash here.
This one gets a 9 from me.
It was great to Rain Wilson's Mudd again, he's definitely been a highlight of the season so far. He was a bit more ruthless here than he was in TOS, but I'm really not to bothered by it, who knows what could have happened to him in the 10 years between Disco and TOS.
I actually liked the party scenes, I thought it was nice to see the characters actually just letting go and having fun. I honestly didn't really notice the music playing, but I'm not bothered by it.
The time loop stuff was pretty good, but nothing really exceptional.
I liked what they did with Burnham and Ash here.
This one gets a 9 from me.