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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x07 - "Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad"

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If Ash is Voq, this is about when he should have broken character, with the promise of a reset in 15 minutes, just to see how everything played out. Especially if the ship is about to be sold to a Klingon faction that he is not fond of.
IDK - If Stamets picks up on anything from Ash about that, and remembers, it would blow his cover. Remember we didn't see every loop but per Mudd, he'd killed Lorca 53 times (implying 53 loops to that point) - so it was at least 55+ loops. No wonder Stamets was ready to throw himself out an airlock. ;)
 
I voted a 10. I know, I know.

It was a silly episode. But it was sooooo much fun.
It's not at all what I expected from DSC. I'm usually into serious, dark-ish, serialized. And this was not.

I loved it. I'm still giggling. Stamets has become a favorite of mine, as have Tyler and Tilly. Even Lorca was almost likeable and seeing him die was pretty cathartic.
 
I quite liked the party scene. It seems like it might be one of the few examples in Trek where the participants looked like they were actually having fun. And it was cool that the disco lights were visible on the outside of the ship. That was a nice touch. Really drives home all those times in past iterations where it was obvious that they were just reusing the same exterior shots over and over again.

The one thing about the party scene that I found a little jarring, though, was the apparently wounded officer in the wheelchair. No idea what happened to the character, but they usually portray medical technology as having advanced beyond that kind of thing (with the obvious exception of the Pike; that crazy, de-aging Admiral; and broken Worf before the experimental surgery).

Yes, agreed, I blocked that moment out of my mind. There are so many reasons why people wouldn't be bound to wheelchairs in the 23rd century that it's not even worth addressing. The Orville's practical joke with the leg makes more sense than wheelchairs centuries from now.
 
Regarding Mudd's "cruelty", it's pretty remarkable that we see two loops where Mudd is convinced he's winning - and in neither of those loops does he choose to crown his achievement by killing Lorca and thus leaving him dead.

Basically, Mudd works his way through a number of steps where he can kill, eat or impregnate people because it doesn't matter. And then we get the "two final" loops in which Mudd actually calls the Klingons. In one, he "callously" kills Tyler. In the other, he kills nobody.

I wonder how Mudd defeated the initial intruder alert at the start of each loop? I mean, first he sneaks in inside the space fish, and then he beams out from there and into a suitably chosen part of the ship, and there he uses his newly acquired experience for shutting down the alarms. But why doesn't the initial transporting trigger the alarms? Just because it is initiated from inside the Discovery?

...Okay, how many loops? Mudd kills Lorca 53 times, but he doesn't kill Lorca on every loop, so that only gives us the minimum (of 56). That amounts to about thirty hours of action already - no wonder he's yawning towards the end! It's not as if he could spend time sleeping between the loops. But he probably realized that and slept well before first stepping out of the fish. Still, there's a limit to how many loops he can do, even on stims. A hundred would amount to staying awake for two days...

Timo Saloniemi
 
The "Tyler is Voq" theory has several huge holes in it that I have yet to see anyone even attempt to fill:
1) The fact that Tyler speaks English flawlessly (there's no chance in heck that Voq could've learned perfect English in 3 weeks or less)
^^^
The Klingons in the TOS timeframe have 'mind sifter' tech (see TOS - "Errand of Mercy") - so no, not hard to implant info,

2) The fact that Tyler has an actual verifiable history and service record that the Klingons could not have faked
Remember Ash said he was captured at "The Battle of the Binaries" - Voq's crew spent 6 months there trying to salvage what they could to repair their ship; and boarded most of the wrecks. Very easy to take info about an officer who died there (that Starfleet lists as 'missing' and have the spy assume his identity.

3) The fact that there's no way the Klingons could've changed Voq's internal physiology and/or made it undetectable to medical scans
Modified Augment virus. The Klingon spy from TOS - "The Trouble With Tribbles" avoided detection long enough to become the trusted assistant of a high ranking Federation official.

4) The fact that there's no way the Klingons could've implanted the personality and memories of the real Ash Tyler into Voq without creating detectable anomalies that would show up on a medical scan
See answwer to 1) above. ;)
 
Big daddy space whale?
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Please stop referring to Discovery as "STD"; the official abbreviation is DSC.

It's either STD, Discovery or maybe I'll let a Disco slide here or there, but not a DSC. How do you pronounce that, DISQUE or DEE ASS SEE? It's the worst abbreviation in the history of Star Trek.
 
IDK - If Stamets picks up on anything from Ash about that, and remembers, it would blow his cover. Remember we didn't see every loop but per Mudd, he'd killed Lorca 53 times (implying 53 loops to that point) - so it was at least 55+ loops. No wonder Stamets was ready to throw himself out an airlock. ;)
Actually there was a bit where Ash is hit by the black matter and for a second I thought I heard Voq.
 
Yes, agreed, I blocked that moment out of my mind. There are so many reasons why people wouldn't be bound to wheelchairs in the 23rd century that it's not even worth addressing. The Orville's practical joke with the leg makes more sense than wheelchairs centuries from now.
Lucious Malfoy stole all the skele-gro from sickbay.
 
Yes, agreed, I blocked that moment out of my mind. There are so many reasons why people wouldn't be bound to wheelchairs in the 23rd century that it's not even worth addressing. The Orville's practical joke with the leg makes more sense than wheelchairs centuries from now.

Well cybernetics and gene therapy are both banned in Star Trek.
 
There are so many reasons why people wouldn't be bound to wheelchairs in the 23rd century that it's not even worth addressing.

If it makes you feel better, there is no evidence that he wasn't just temporarily wheelchair bound during his recuperation

Well cybernetics and gene therapy are both banned in Star Trek.
when did they say they banned cybernetics? plus we've seen multiple people in Discovery with tech implants.
 
It's either STD, Discovery or maybe I'll let a Disco slide here or there, but not a DSC. How do you pronounce that, DISQUE or DEE ASS SEE? It's the worst abbreviation in the history of Star Trek.

It's an abbreviation, not an acronym. Why does how you pronounce an abbreviation matter? It's three syllables. Add another and you can just stay Discovery.
 
Actually, I bought into the Stamets being able to detect what was going on from being connected to the mycelial network. I actually buy that more than everyone conveniently feeling deju vu, despite everyone going back to the same moment in time and really no way of being able to predict what would happen since they techincally haven't experienced those moments yet!
And I guess Guinan was on leave/vacation from the 1701-D when the events of TNG - "Cause and Effect" occurred too. ( mean she was shown to have 'non-linear time' perception back in the TNG 3rd season episode "Yesterday's Enterprise" two season earlier. ;)
 
DSC, STD, DISCO (which is fucking cooler). They're all good.
Yep, or even DIS to be more in line with VOY and ENT that are the more common short versions in use for Voyager and Enterprise. But the whole "we shouldn't use the one I don't like" feels a bit wrong to me. Also none of the abbreviations do. (DISCO is my preference though, I tend to read STD straight faced, but DISCO usually makes me smile).

In contrast, referring to the tardigrade as a "tartigrade" (which I see on the forum regularly) does actually bother me a little... I just don't moan about it.
 
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