Then you haven’t been to the right one—I’ve been to many a good party.I'm actually not convinced there is such a thing.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x07 - "Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad"
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Stamets was alive and compelling this episode.
Rapp's encounter with Spacey was chilling. I definitely hugged my son after reading it.
I have to agree. While I too find those kinds of posts annoying, I try to either completely ignore them or point out all the stuff they got incorrect.
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As NOVE9 says, they don't cover the origin of Mudd's tech, but the number of times our heroes find advanced tech laying around on planets is innumerous (Iconian Gateways anyone?). The story addresses generally what it is (time travel/loop tech) and that he has it. He uses the looping to gain info and access at each step. Just because you don't "like" it doen't mean that it wasn't explained or is BS in any way.
I think they would just reprogram all of the Discovery's security codes. But I would have liked a line about Starfleet intelligence being asked to keep an eye on Mudd about the spore drive tech.
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Personally I think Tyler doesn't know he is Voq. That it is all implanted or genetically altered with the Voq personally buried until a trigger (ala Manchurian Candidate).
Others have addressed this, but giving the main character (who is exploring her humanity) a love interest in the 7th episode after all the preceding character building, does not make this worthless or old-fashioned.
I think you have to remember the context for "Cause and Effect". Other than the aforementioned 12:01 (and probably the odd Twilight Zone or Outer Limits episode) there were few well-known examples of this kind of time looping concept in 1992. Trivia says that in 1992 people were calling their local tv stations to tell them there was a problem with the feed, when they saw the episode apparently starting over. So given the novelty of the approach at that time and the evolution in experience and presentation that writers and tv have undergone since then, it is only to be expected that "Cause and Effect" seems a little slow by today's standards. Much like Stamets in this episode, we viewers expect the characters to be as genre-savvy as we are - we don't want to see whole minutes tick by just getting the other characters onboard a concept that should already be understood by them or at least known to them. But I appreciate what TNG did with that episode and the concept, and at least they tried to make changes in both presentation (camera angles, story focus, etc.) and events in each loop to keep parts from being too repetitive. In contrast, there is an X-Fiiles episode, "Unrequited", that has a flashforward at the start of the episode and when the show catches up to that point right before the climax, the entire sequence is replayed in its entirety, with no changes. [That was probably done to fill time on a episode that was running short that week.] But even though that episode only aired in 1997, by that time I, as a viewer, already had greater expectations for the presentation and I was annoyed that they didn't use the repetition to show a different angle, to highlight something else, or provide a different story or character perspective. This also ties into something a friend told me while watching "Magic to Make..." last night - he hadn't enjoyed watching "Citizen Kane" because it was slow and boring. But that is only because so much of what "Kane" introduced to movies has been repeated and iterated on since that the originator of so much good storytelling stuff now seems a little boring and dated.
@Ometiklan , I understand what you're saying and how "Cause and Effect" was done well for its time. For me, it just hasn't aged well and feels monotonous now.
As for Citizen Kane, I will tell you I have friends that love Pulp Fiction but can't really watch Kane, saying the latter is hard to follow. But they both use the same device of telling the story from near the end and then insert the backstory as the movie progresses!
As for Citizen Kane, I will tell you I have friends that love Pulp Fiction but can't really watch Kane, saying the latter is hard to follow. But they both use the same device of telling the story from near the end and then insert the backstory as the movie progresses!
I gave it an 8 out of 10 - the same as last weeks episode. If there were fractional ratings the episode would have been a little lower than last weeks, but obviously not by much. Lots to like if you like the series, and lots to draw you in if you're on the fence - however people that don't like it so far have their reasons and those reasons may or may not be overcome in the following episodes. We'll see how this shakes out. For me this show is finding it's legs, somewhat at least. My biggest problem was believing Tilly would be a party girl. Socially awkward Tilly, as depicted in the previous episodes, and party girl don't seem to mix well in my book.
Beer pong might do that to you...
Yeah, I get it. "Cause and Effect" can be a little slow, but since i saw it when it first aired I still remember the awesomeness of the first presentation, so I just have that feeling in my head anytime I rewatch it. My problem now isn't that I think it is boring or monotonous, because they do make those little changes that I mentioned to make each scene a little different, but because they don't have a Stamets to short circuit the loops, I find when I rewatch I get frustrated that I don't get to see more - the looping is too short. Even though I like the progression of a given repeated scene, how it is different in each loop because of minor remembrances/changes from before, each time through comes too fast for me and I want to see more. Especially in the loop where they are prepping a message to send, it always feels like they just got there and now the are all called to the bridge and they collide and it is time to send the message and boom. 'But I wanted more!'...I guess I can always just start the episode over and see it all again to get "more".
I think someone commented Tilly is the functioning autistic girl who is exuberant and effervesant rather than withdrawn. The kind who asks if you want to have sex after five minutes and shares inappropriate observations and details about her life as well as crewmates.
I'm more confused why Stella is meant to be a punishment. She seems a sweet and supportive girl.
I feel bad for her, not Mudd.
I tend to stand in the corner at parties, but when I have a few to drink I tend to be pretty friendly. Maybe people are mad Tilly isn't the nerdy girl in a fantasy that needs rescuing?
Yes, that didn't make any sense to me either, that's why I took it down from 8/10 to 7/10. The ending was just "alright, let's wrap this up somehow to leave this character with more stuff to do in the future as opposed to sending him to prison"
I think it's more the fact she's uncomfortable with switching beds in the pilot and now apparently just leaps into social situations.
But characterization marches on. There's even a trope for it.
I get that we were seeing Mudd adapt and change his tactics after each loop. But showing us a bit more would have helped. I think showing us how Mudd got control of the computer would have helped a lot.
Is the net effect character development for Burnham, changing DSC Harry into TOS Harry, and or making Stamits into a source for all extra prime universe information?
Stardate is inconsistent with early TOS.
Stardate is inconsistent with early TOS.
I haven't gotten anything like "autistic" from anything associated with tilly in any way.
She identified as having "special needs" that require her to avoid the rest of the crew and can't sleep in a bed that's not her own. That's not really so much as me misreading the situation as them stating it.
But I could be wrong.