Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x07 - "Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad"

[GeekUSACarl]

Oh wow... I've just been reading through this thread and seeing everybody mad about this party. Have you guys not ever been to a party??? People drink and make out if there's enough alcohol.

The co-host of our podcast was talking about the party last night, not so harshly though, but he wasn't a fan and I can see the point.

When star trek references things "vintage" like the Vic Fontaine, Tom Paris' old French bar, Riker's jazz, they are also referencing things vintage to most of us, So it, as a tool, aids in setting up that vintage nostalgia.

When Trek does something like that party, it's a vintage kinda throwback maybe for them, but very current for us, it's fairly different. I happened to like it, but I can see the other end,

 

[Mr Awe]

In other words: it's wholly unoriginal.

Haven't you heard? Nothing is original these days. All stories have been told a hundred different ways by now.

Fortunately, this was a fun episode. Very enjoyable! Stamets was EXCELLENT! Burnham too! The cast is really coming together.

 

[Mr Awe]

No.
This is sophomoric shit.

Yet, you're watching compulsively?

 

[Borgminister]

A few more 7/10 episodes and I'll call myself an STD fan.

When my baby looks at me I gonorrhea!

Seriously, I'm no fan of an STD. DSC--definitely!

 

[Charles Phipps]

Gene Roddenberry once said that he didn't consider either Star Trek V or VI to be canon. He didn't like either film and considered the events in one or both to be completely apocryphal. Paramount and the fans ignored him.

As they should have.

So, ignore one of the worst Star Treks of all time and one of the best.

 

[DigificWriter]

Let's follow up on my comments from earlier about the huge holes that need to be filled in this "Tyler is Voq" theory, with some specific clarifying examples:
- Although he's convinced that the Ash is Voq thing is true, Trek.fm Podcast Network founder Chrtistopher Jones, in his Notes from the Edge podcast, nevertheless pointed out the fact that, because Discovery has shown us that Klingons, as foreign-language speakers, cannot speak English flawlessly, it would stretch believability and credibility for Voq, as a Klingon, to suddenly be able to speak English as if he'd been doing so his entire life, especially with only 3 weeks - or less - having passed between Episode 4 - when we last see Voq - and Episode 5, when we're first introduced to Tyler

- The objective of the Notes from the Edge podcast is to look at links between DSC and the entirety of the Star Trek franchise, including the tie-in comics and novels, and Chris goes into some depth in the most recent episode about how Arne Darvin, although appearing Human outwardly, was still Klingon internally, using a TOS comic telling the story of how Darvin came into existence. Although he was using the comic to argue in favor of the Tyler is Voq theory, the fact that it would have been impossible for the Klingon to have altered or masked Voq's internal Klingon physiology remains

- The DS9 Season 1 episode The Passenger deals with the concept of conscience/personality transference, and establishes that while it is possible to do such a thing outside of a Vulcan mind meld, it is not possible to do without physically affecting the brain in ways that would show up in and he detected by a medical scan.

It strains credibility to believe that Tyler would be serving aboard Discovery without having been subjected to a deep medical scan, one in which, if he were really Voq, his internal Klingon physiology and the physical affects on his brain that would have resulted had he had the memories and personality of the real Ash Tyler implanted into him would have immediately been revealed

 

[SpocksOddSocks]

I gave it a 7...think I'm actually being generous, I almost dropped to a 6 for the first time. I think it might be my least favourite, but I did cut it some slack for at least being fun.

I do, generally, like the fun/crazy episodes of Star Trek... but at the moment, and with only 15 episodes for the Klingon war (I'm sure they keep saying it will only be for this season), I feel the arc is a little slow at the moment. If this episode had been further down the line, I might have scored it higher, but I things stand I found it a little disappointing.

I understand the desire to add some character development, but the fact that it had a reset, and only Stamets experienced the whole thing rather defeats the goal in my opinion.

One thing I did enjoy was Burnham's logs. They actually put me in mind of Data's log entries from Data's Day to some degree.

Also... space whales! I play a game called Elite: Dangerous (doesn't seem the right place to explain the to someone who isn't aware of it), and participate in the forums there. I can think of a few people on those boards who are always wanting to see space whales turn up in game. Alas, there are, so far, none.

 

[Mr Awe]

It's a discussion forum, not a genitally-stimulate the writers forum.

Give it a rest.

But, it also makes no sense whatsoever. We all like different things. But, when I don't like something, I stop watching. I know, too much common sense for a forum like this. I just feel sad for those people though. There's clearly something missing in their lives.

 

[Tesophius]

When my baby looks at me I gonorrhea!

Seriously, I'm no fan of an STD. DSC--definitely!

DSC is not cutting it for me, how do you even pronounce it? It's not memorable, an STD is

 

[Charles Phipps]

I didn't know Harry Mudd is the type of guy to casually murder people. I didn't get that impression from TOS. A thief and annoyance but not a murderer

There's an if, and, and a but here as Harry Mudd is murdering people who don't stay dead.

It's like a game of Paranoia.

Is it murder if they're alive a few minutes later?

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Actually, I bought into the Stamets being able to detect what was going on from being connected to the mycelial network. I actually buy that more than everyone conveniently feeling deju vu, despite everyone going back to the same moment in time and really no way of being able to predict what would happen since they techincally haven't experienced those moments yet!

 

[Borgminister]

DSC is not cutting it for me, how do you even pronounce it? It's not memorable, an STD is

Well I suppose one way to avoid an STD is to Sheath The Dick...

 

[KennyB]

Have you guys not ever been to a party???

I am betting they have NOT...........at least not a good one.

 

[Shon T'Hara]

Arne Darvin was revealed by two hissing Tribbles and a 5-second long tricorder scan.

Darvin was exposed because Jones had already seen how Tribbles react to Klingons. If a Tribble hissed at Voqler, nobody would know why.

The medical scan is a bigger problem, but we've seen enough sleeper agents before that we can assume it's possible to pass as human unless the doctor looks for something specific.

 

[SpocksOddSocks]

I am betting they have NOT...........at least not a good one.

I'm actually not convinced there is such a thing.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

Actually, I bought into the Stamets being able to detect what was going on from being connected to the mycelial network. I actually buy that more than everyone conveniently feeling deju vu, despite everyone going back to the same moment in time and really no way of being able to predict what would happen since they techincally haven't experienced those moments yet!

Stamets is growing to be my favorite character on the show.

What a great actor so far.

By the by, have you heard Rapp's iteration of an event between him and Kevin Spacey when Rapp was 14?

if true, very sad.

 

[Mr Awe]

- The episode seemed to leave a lot for the viewer to fill in. The time loop was only 30 minutes yet Mudd can go around killing the captain, hack the computer, and do a bunch of other stuff. And how did Mudd hack the computer so easily? And in one loop, we see Mudd come out of the space whale but apparently in the other loop, he beams aboard instead.

What we're seeing is Mudd learning and improving during each loop. In first several loops, he's actually stopped. But, he learns the routines. We've observed him watching the crew do their thing. The idea is that there are many, many loops that we don't see. It might've been nice if they showed a little more, like how he got control of the computer. But, they showed enough to give the idea.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Stamets is growing to be my favorite character on the show.

What a great actor so far.

By the by, have you heard Rapp's iteration of an event between him and Kevin Spacey when Rapp was 14?

if true, very sad.

I'm actually starting to love Stamets! What's great is that Rapp is a huge fan, and you can tell he's having a blast! I tweeted him a week ago, saying that Stamets now is someone I'd sit and listen to Sgt. Pepper with, or see his Uncle Emmett's Beatles cover band with!

I did read about that today, and it is sad if true. Rapp issued a statement and didn't want to discuss it further.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

What we're seeing is Mudd learning and improving during each loop. In first several loops, he's actually stopped. But, he learns the routines. We've observed him watching the crew do their thing. The idea is that there are many, many loops that we don't see. It might've been nice if they showed a little more, like how he got control of the computer. But, they showed enough to give the idea.

My thinking is he got some computer access via that relay junction he was seen hanging around in a few of the loops.

 

[Tesophius]

People should stop "yelling" at others who don't like STD the way it is and encouraging them to quit watching it, to cancel it, with their asinine arguments such as "why are you still watching this." We're 7 episodes in, it's the first "canon" Star Trek in well over a decade. It's understandable why Star Trek fans want to keep watching a show that's branded Star Trek despite it not living up to many people's expectations. The fact is that majority of people are cutting it a lot of slack here in their ratings, I get it, everyone wants this to be good and for it to succeed. The last episode showed that it could be the Star Trek we've learned to love in the past. Respect every viewpoint, including the one that, overall, STD has been well below average in terms of quality, at least until the groundhog day episode.

I don't think that anyone is inherently prejudiced against the STD, I just expect it to hold itself to a higher standard. On the other hand, I also think that a third of Star Trek episodes in the past have fallen at around 4/10 territory, I expect the same from STD, just with a few 7/10 and above episodes sprinkled throughout the season.