Discovery Renewed for Season 2

[Jesse1066]

So the writers would just have to invent transphasic shields (like how Voyager developed those temporal shields due to the temporal torpedoes). There is no technobable you can't defeat by simply inventing a technobable counter. The problem is not with the Federation technology becoming too powerful - just avoid JJ-style universe breaking technology with no counter or stated drawback and there is no problem. The stories will always survive on the characters, mysteries, and universe building aspects regardless of the name applied to the current "shield" technology.

Your point is well taken, and proof that it would be ridiculous. Technobabble to get around technobabble. BOOORRRIIINNNNGGG.

In most cases, the basic properties of the shields aren't important enough to be stated in dialogue. If they just call the shields "shields" and the torpedoes "torpedoes," there isn't a problem. Throw in a screen that does say the shields are transphasic or whatever, and most of the people who care about that will be satisfied.

 

[McDuff]

If the production staffs for a another show are as good or better than the DSC team, I don't think the number of shows will be a problem.

I agree with you especially writers. You need inspired writers to write shows like Star Trek, Doctor Who, etc. It's not just drama, it's sci-fi drama. To write great sci-fi shows, you need writers who have knowledge and things to say about our current societies, humanity in general, integration of new technologies, visions for the future, etc.

Game of Thrones is the biggest show currently on television, its final season will grab all the mainstream media attention. Sure, fans will watch both, but if you're looking to expand to new audiences (which CBS would want to do for the start of season 2), this is the absolut worst time to do it.

It's basically the same audience watching both shows for a large part. A tough one for the new comer imo.

 

[guyute03]

Getting flashbacks to when Enterprise was cancelled for good during season 4, how that felt having grown up on TNG and having lived with Trek my whole life. Like a punch to the gut.

Today feels way better. Way way better.

 

[Campe]

Can I just say: any of you Midnight’s Edge lackies out there reading this thread: Your mothership has proven ONCE AGAIN how poor of a source for news they are. Hate Discovery all you want, but you can take your Multidimensional Sareks and shove em.

I, for one, am excited for the news. I find the series getting better and better. It’s still got some work to do, but it’s inching (IMNSHO) to being good Star Trek.

 

[Mudd]

Is that distinct from good TV?

A four-year run would be pretty successful for most hour dramas, particularly skiffy stuff. Trekkies were spoiled.

 

[Michael]

Renewed for a second season? Great news! So how much are you guys missing @RAMA posting “I told you so” right now?

 

[Campe]

Is that distinct from good TV?

Dennis, at the end of the day, if I’m entertained by something, I don’t give a flying fuck if it’s what you or anyone else might think is good or not.

 

[ichab]

Is that distinct from good TV?

A four-year run would be pretty successful for most hour dramas, particularly skiffy stuff. Trekkies were spoiled.

On this we are in agreement. If the show has four really good seasons and then signs off I'll consider that a successful run. Seven seasons is VERY long and frankly none of the Trek series should have went that long.

 

[Campe]

On this we are in agreement. If the show has four really good seasons and then signs off I'll consider that a successful run. Seven seasons is VERY long and frankly none of the Trek series should have went that long.

I’m perfectly fine with four seasons.
I’m perfectly fine with two seasons.
I would have been perfectly fine had it lasted a year (but that likely wasn’t going to happen.)
In this day and age, seven seasons is a milestone that very few shows see. And really, no show, Trek or not, should be judged on whether it reaches that point.

 

[ichab]

Can I just say: any of you Midnight’s Edge lackies out there reading this thread: Your mothership has proven ONCE AGAIN how poor of a source for news they are. Hate Discovery all you want, but you can take your Multidimensional Sareks and shove em.

I, for one, am excited for the news. I find the series getting better and better. It’s still got some work to do, but it’s inching (IMNSHO) to being good Star Trek.

Far as I'm concerned the critics who never wanted to give the show a chance or continually bash it because it isn't in their mind "real Trek" can now eat crow.

And no, a renewal was NOT a sure thing by any stretch of the imagination. If DISCOVERY had bombed and CBS saw no increase in subscribers the show would be done. No studio keeps a show going that isn't successful and the fact that we get a renewal announcement barely a month into the show's existence proves that it has been VERY successful.

I am very glad to hear this announcement so here's to you lads...

 

[Campe]

And no, a renewal was NOT a sure thing by any stretch of the imagination. If DISCOVERY had bombed and CBS saw no increase in subscribers the show would be done. No studio keeps a show going that isn't successful and the fact that we get a renewal announcement barely a month into the show's existence proves that it has been VERY successful.

You’re right. It wasn’t a sure thing. But it wasn’t as gloom and doom as some might have you believe either. There was a strong indication the show would be renewed before it even premiered.

Also, your image is gobblygook.

 

[ichab]

You’re right. It wasn’t a sure thing. But it wasn’t as gloom and doom as some might have you believe either. There was a strong indication the show would be renewed before it even premiered.

Also, your image is gobblygook.

That's what I get for trying to do it on a phone. Thankfully I was home next to my laptop and could fix it.

 

[eschaton]

I don't really like discovery much (I've enjoyed maybe one episode so far wholeheartedly) but I'm glad it's getting a second season, since it's the only way the series can improve in response to audience critique.

 

[MrPointy]

Hoping Netflix will foot the bill for season 2 as well.

16 episodes would be nice as well. They could be split into a nice, even two blocks of 8.

 

[mos6507]

I don't really like discovery much (I've enjoyed maybe one episode so far wholeheartedly) but I'm glad it's getting a second season, since it's the only way the series can improve in response to audience critique.

Or double down and create even more wailing and gnashing of teeth.

 

[Vger23]

I don't really like discovery much (I've enjoyed maybe one episode so far wholeheartedly) but I'm glad it's getting a second season, since it's the only way the series can improve in response to audience critique.

Yes!

I'm quite certain that there are several full-time staffers sitting around, eagerly looking at all the thoughtful and intelligent "audience critique" taking place right now, and compiling it all in a usable and comprehensive fashion to help them produce a much better, more fan-approved season 2 of the show.

I'd bet my life savings that this is exactly what they're doing.

After all, the fans have such GREAT ideas and feedback on ways to improve the quality and dramatic impact of the program.

 

[Vger23]

Your failure of imagination is only yours. It's like the new Doctor Who. It's different but similar at the same time. When you have talents in the writing staff, the task doesn't seem so daunting. It's easy to make something old new again without changing the main aspects of it. The reasons we love it in the first place. DS9 was fine as a Star Trek show, so I'm with you, on this. (IMO, Doctor Who, The Orville-thus far and Stargate also have the same style than Star Trek in spirit).

I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say. But it came off as smarmy and I'm sure I'm supposed to feel insulted or something.

 

[eschaton]

Yes!

I'm quite certain that there are several full-time staffers sitting around, eagerly looking at all the thoughtful and intelligent "audience critique" taking place right now, and compiling it all in a usable and comprehensive fashion to help them produce a much better, more fan-approved season 2 of the show.

I'd bet my life savings that this is exactly what they're doing.

After all, the fans have such GREAT ideas and feedback on ways to improve the quality and dramatic impact of the program.

We know that Deep Space Nine changed the arc of the show a bit in response to discussions on Usenet at the time. Unfortunately, it was for the worse, as it destroyed Dukat's character, but it still showed that the showrunners were listening.

 

[Vger23]

We know that Deep Space Nine changed the arc of the show a bit in response to discussions on Usenet at the time. Unfortunately, it was for the worse, as it destroyed Dukat's character, but it still showed that the showrunners were listening.

I've never heard such a thing. Source?

Regardless...fans input on the dramatic direction of a season is tits on a bull. And, to my point, if what you said is actually true...it certainly didn't serve the show well.

If the DSC showrunners are actually listening- here's my advice: writers write and fans watch. The minute the coach starts listening to what plays the fans want called, he may as well turn in his whistle. Keep doing what you're doing and don't listen to idiots online.

 

[eschaton]

I've never heard such a thing. Source?

Regardless...fans input on the dramatic direction of a season is tits on a bull. And, to my point, if what you said is actually true...it certainly didn't serve the show well.

If the DSC showrunners are actually listening- here's my advice: writers write and fans watch. The minute the coach starts listening to what plays the fans want called, he may as well turn in his whistle. Keep doing what you're doing and don't listen to idiots online.

Some quotes from Memory Alpha...

• Marc Alaimo believed Dukat's popularity was evident to the DS9 producers. "They know that the fans like Dukat. They're well aware of it. There's all sorts of fan mail coming in. So they've got to know that he's a very well-liked character," the performer reasoned. (Cinefantastique, Vol. 28, No. 4/5, p. 53) The team of DS9's writer-producers were indeed aware Dukat had become an extremely popular character. (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion, p. 520) René Echevarria referred to Dukat as an individual who was "well liked by the audience." (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion, p. 632) Ira Steven Behr said about the fan response to Dukat, "I know that there are women fans who still want to bear his child, but to me that's the whole thing where you want to marry the serial killer. You want to have sex with Gul Dukat? It's all the same thing." ("The Producer's View", Star Trek: Deep Space Nine - The Official Poster Magazine, No. 12) However, Behr was somewhat irritated by how fandom seemed to whitewash Dukat to a certain extent. "The fact that Dukat has become such a popular character, and I've read things on the Internet where people actually talk about the fact that 'only five million Bajorans were killed during the Occupation – that's not such a big deal.' It's just so..." Behr sighed and didn't continue his sentence. (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion, p. 520)
  
  
• Concerning Dukat's opinion of himself, Ronald D. Moore remarked, "Dukat is the hero of his own story. He definitely thinks that he's on the side of the angels." (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion, p. 520) On Dukat's role as villain, Moore has commented, "I don't think of him as being completely evil through and through to the point where every thought, every impulse is shaded by a nefarious agenda or horrid motive. We've seen other aspects to this guy over the years. He can be charming. He can be generous. He can do the right thing. All of that somehow makes his 'evil' actions all the more despicable, because we know that there was the potential in there for him to be a better person. But sometimes the clichés are true: Hitler loved his dog. No Human being (and by extension, no Cardassian) is one hundred percent pure evil. But there is a 'critical mass', if you will, where the dark deeds attributed to one person become so overwhelming that they swamp all the redeeming characteristics. Dukat is a bad guy. A very bad guy. He has a lot of blood on his hands and it's hard to see how his smile and innate charm can wipe that clean." (AOL chat, 1998) When Moore was asked by a member of Reddit if he regretted that the writers made Dukat into "a cartoonish super-villain" in response to fans who found him increasingly sympathetic, he responded, "I think we were all pleased with where we took Dukat, it felt like it was organic based on where the character began, who he was in the past and in the present, so I don't think we have any regrets."