Didn't Janeway kill Tuvix?
Like, the entire crew killed Tuvix.
Lorca is a coward and murderer, how come he's a Starfleet Captain still??
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Like, the entire crew killed Tuvix.
So the entire crew of the Voyager are murderers and cowards?
Im not saying that, just sayin that scene where tuvix is begging for his life and everyone just standin with their arms folded.
That's some cold shit right there.
The crew of his previous command.
Apparently It didn't hurt his resume much So what was your last position Captain Lorca? "Command of the exploded vessel USS Buran". References? "They're all dead".
The post that referred to the telescope.
It's weird, though, that he suddenly starts divulging information about the Discovery to another inmate for no valid reason.
Huh? That contained a list of subplots?
That doesn't make him a murderer.
Captain Jonathan Archer condemned an entire species to extinction, told his crew that it was the right thing to do and was later praised by the ship's doctor. Let that sink in. Archer believed that letting a sentient and intelligent species die out was a good thing because... it was natural.
Discovery has now honored him as one of Starfleet's most decorative Captains.
If a Starfleet Captain can get away with a blatent act of genocide of an entire species and become one of the most decorative Captains in Starfleet, Lorca blowing up his own crew to prevent them from being captured, tortured and probably killed by Klingons shouldn't even click on their radar.
So the entire crew of the Voyager are murderers and cowards?
Well, some of them have truly terrible taste in holodeck programs, that much is clear.
That's genocide?
I don't know if I'd classify it as genocide. His actions were questionable given that the United Earth Starfleet of that era wasn't legally beholden to a non-interference directive punishable by court martial and imprisonment and one can argue that Archer could have provided the alien civilization with the means necessary to overcome its grave dilemma and not been in violation of either the letter or the spirit of any law on the books back on Earth, but when he refused he chose to do what some future Federation captains no doubt did - refused to help due to a society not being warp capable or ready to join the interstellar community.
Genocide implies Archer not only realized what his actions would entail for that planet but approved of them and expressed contempt for their species and its continued existence. At worst he turned a blind eye to assuage his own professional and ethical misgivings and indirectly condemned an entire alien civilization to eventual extinction. He was complicit in the eventual disaster as an observer who refused to become directly involved but not the guilty party that caused that society's demise.
Genocide implies Archer not only realized what his actions would entail for that planet but approved of them and expressed contempt for their species and its continued existence. At worst he turned a blind eye to assuage his own professional and ethical misgivings and indirectly condemned an entire alien civilization to eventual extinction. He was complicit in the eventual disaster as an observer who refused to become directly involved but not the guilty party that caused that society's demise.
What Archer did(or should I say, what Archer didn't do)is what Picard swears by, like in the episodes Symbiosis, or Pen Pals, or a worse case: Homeward.
Picard- "This is one of those times when we must face the ramifications of the Prime Directive and honour those lives which we cannot save."
Big Paulie- "I find no honour in this whatsoever, Captain. You will forgive me if I don't stay."
Picard- "This is one of those times when we must face the ramifications of the Prime Directive and honour those lives which we cannot save."
Big Paulie- "I find no honour in this whatsoever, Captain. You will forgive me if I don't stay."
Yes, and I hated when Picard did it in those episodes. But at least he was following an existing directive. Archer wasn't, he was just a dick for no reason. This exact thing was recently discussed in the Prime Directive thread on the general section.
He might get a medal. Do you think the fact it was his (Lorca's) own crew, those entrusted to him personally, factors into his ethics and indeed Starfleets? He didn't sacrifice himself or let someone else make that choice for him.
I reject the premise. It's only five episodes in, and of those Lorca has been in only three.
Watch the show and see how it plays out. You may be surprised. Or not.
Regardless, it's too soon to make that kind of call.
Watch the show and see how it plays out. You may be surprised. Or not.
Regardless, it's too soon to make that kind of call.
