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Jodie Whittaker is the 13th Doctor

He actually "Godwin'd" the thread? Yup, Starsuperion actually "Godwin'd" the bloody thread.!

Oi, vey!

To think I used to admire his "art". After seeing this petulant, hateful aspect of his "personality", I've since purged all his selections from my PC I once saved.
 
So.... anyway.

Allegedy shooting actually began last week, with no plans for location shooting in public areas or press releases of either Jodie in costume or the companion casting any time soon.
 
Difficult in this age of leaks and hacks, but if they can manage it I'd imagine they'd want the Xmas Special out of the way before we get any sightings of Jodie in her costume (instead of Capaldi's clothes post-regen). Make as clean a break as possible.
 
Difficult in this age of leaks and hacks, but if they can manage it I'd imagine they'd want the Xmas Special out of the way before we get any sightings of Jodie in her costume (instead of Capaldi's clothes post-regen). Make as clean a break as possible.
Personally, I'm expecting both a costume reveal and companion announcement at Children in Need.
 
Some stupid video blogger has listed his bogus 'reasons' why he thinks that the new Doctor's going to be a failure as well as being a 'PR 'disaster'::rolleyes:

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Some stupid video blogger his listed his bogus 'reasons' why he thinks that the new Doctor's going to be a failure as well as being a 'PR 'disaster'::rolleyes:

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Yeah, I stopped listening when he started bemoaning "PC culture."
Whenever I hear that, I always think, "Oh, you just want to be able to say all sorts of bullshit without getting called on it." Sorry, guy, but, you're a dinosaur, life is passing you by.
 
"I hate political correctness" = "Why do people give me a hard time these days for being a bigoted asshole? I don't like it, I'm a sensitive hate-filled snowflake."

Even better: 'I'm a big man with a big mouth, a small brain and a tiny sexual member the size of a grain of rice which became that way due to years of seeing women demand more rights and seeing a ton of assertive female characters appear in novels. comic books, movies and TV shows as well as video games-and I can't take my member getting any tinier than it is! What will I and others like me do? How will boys and young men of this generation cope?'

Keep in mind a lot of fans are OLD like me. They aren't sexist (though they do use sexist terms), they are conservative. They don't like change. Or more accurately, in a life of constant change, they like some certainties. And, in a way, a role model has been removed, especially in Capaldi. Despite terrible stories, he was their guy. Now he's gone, and we/they have to adapt yet again to change, big change.

If their lives are so constrained that they have to see Capaldi as some kind of father figure, then they have problems which should be dealt with by a shrink or therapist.

Right now in Australia we are having a massive debate re coal power vs renewables. The conservative argument is basically "It works, if it ain't broke..." while not acknowledging the levels of pollution are unsustainable. I can't wait for renewables to grab a permanent, stable foothold. But there are those that fear change. Fear change.

Maybe your fellow Aussies should have embraced the widespread use of nuclear power, then, and made it so safe that nobody would fear any accidents or be wary of/have to rely on renewables. Just sayin'.

Now, for guys like me, role models (and yes, we still need them) are a guide to being a better person... and we have one less. Gender shouldn't matter but it does. Who's my role model now? Frank Underwood? People become fans because they get something from the characters.

There's nothing that says you can't have a role model in a woman, same as young girls looking up to a heroic male figure.

I give you a hypothetical. In a brain-snap of epic proportions, DC decides Wonder Woman should become Wonder Man, Dion of Themiscyra. Shield, bracelets, lasso, but a costume closer to Cap's. They come up with all 'valid' reasons for it (see: Thor). Women across America would gather at DC's headquarters and literally raze it. Of course they would. It is a change they would not embrace.

Wonder Woman being changed into a man isn't the same as Superman being changed into a woman; both changes have impacts (negative for young woman and girls in the case of Wonder Woman, not so negative for young men and boys in the case of Superman.) The Superman character would survive such a change, the Wonder Woman character most likely wouldn't.

And now old white guys are expected, yet again, to roll over, at the risk of being called sexist.

They have a choice not to be like that, then.

I've always seen myself as a progressive, but I'm old now. This one is a little harder. Frankly it feels like it's something being taken from me. You can poo-poo that, but just run the above hypothetical through your mind and see how you'd feel. Don't tell me you'd be happy. But, as I said, I try to be progressive, so I'm going to embrace this, as I always try to do. Just remember, some guys find it hard to change. Why shouldn't they? To just dismiss them as sexist is cruel and as sexist as you claim.

How is changing a character like this to fit the present times such a hard thing to accept? And why is it? It's not as half as bad as having to use a RFID card on public transit when one has a limited income, or having to survive on a limited income. In fact, compared to a lot of life changes, it isn't even that difficult.

TL;DR: it's not about sexism, it' just being conservative.

As somebody else said here, such fear of change like this isn't conservative, it's cowardice.
 
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@Shaka Zulu you didn't read my later posts, where I've come to terms with it. I think it'll be fine now. That was my initial reaction. It'll certainly be interesting.

That said, so many things you said in reply are, to me, strawman arguments, and I'm not going to bother responding to them. Except this:
As somebody else said here, such fear of change like this isn't conservative, it's cowardice.
No. You're wrong. About as wrong as you can be. Talk to me when you're my age, and had kids and grandkids and fought against illness and little money and idiot governments. You get tired. And sometimes you just wish things would stay the same for just a little while, until you can catch your breath. Your worldview isn't everyone else's worldview.

I could never be conservative for long - I've seen the political parties that espouse that, and they frankly disgust me. I just need a rest.
 
From the new DWM:

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