Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x04 - "The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry"

[anh165]

A seven this week ....

Not a perfect episode, however the characters saved it for me.

There was always something that irked me about how the Klingons behaved and spoke in the Berman/Braga era star trek.

Discovery cured that, for us slow thinking dumber members of the audience that is...

Unfortunately I found Saru to be one who likes to ride his high horse of morals and intellect, instead of trying to help his crew out of their situation. Characters like this would fit right in the B&B/TNG era. It's possible that the producers created this character as a form of lip service to the most vocal & critical of 'Trek fans' who feel they own the franchise.

 

[Mel Tenorio]

Yes, they are the worst. I didn't think it was possible to ruin the Klingons even more than TNG/DS9 did, but somehow DIS managed even that. Their scenes are so utterly boring. They should at least speak faster and not in slow motion.

I think the Klingon scenes are the best part of DSC. It's slow but intentional and artful. They're supposed to be a different alien species so of course they may not speak fast like we do. I think the actors are doing an amazing job at adding certain emphasis and inflection to their words. I'll always love TNG/DSG Klingons but these Klingons have a certain elegance and distinction to them. DSC is finally making Klingons a culture and I like they're already adding a love story between Voq and the other female Klingon (forget her name).

 

[Tim Thomason]

Vulcan education, is the education of shutting down your emotions.

It's possible, 6 months after watching her mother or girlfriend get murdered, that Burnham's brain is fine.

Don't forget that Michael spent six months in a Federation maximum security prison. Which apparently involves hard labor and who knows what kind of psychological torture in this period of time.

 

[Guy Gardener]

If anyone had PTSD, it was the shushing Klingon.

T'Kuvma drew 24 houses into a war, with his honour, his words, and abusing a historical relic unethically... Shouldn't crushing T'Kuvma's successor, and stealing it's onus, as well as the relic, undercut the honour of the war's outbreak, and call for an annullment?

So that was a weird decision for any of the remaining houses to make, Kneecapping T'Kuvma's credibility, unless what they want to do maybe is end the war without devastating both sides.

 

[Gonzo]

By the way, loved the apocalypic imagery in the opening scene, which turned out to be an extreme zoom-in on Burnham's uniform being replicated

That caught my eye as well, wondered what the hell it was at first.

I did mention it in my review of the episode but alas it didn't go down as well with some here.

 

[Paradise City]

It’s a science vessel that has been trying to get the new drive up and running far behind the front.

The most traumatizing thing that has happened to them, is the collective cringe when they hear the “Black alert!” blaring.

And this war btw, seems to be about as traumatizing as a rainy day on the golf course. I don’t see any rationing, folks seem well fed and happy. Unless you’re one of the very few people who happen to serve on a Starfleet vessel, or hear about it on the news, you probably wouldn’t even know it’s happening.

There’s talk of 8000 dead in the first few days of the war? (Which probably means there haven’t been very many casualties since. Otherwise why say it that way.) There’s probably more people that die in traffic accidents every day, even in the future.

They are going stir crazy on the ship whilst their families and friends are being killed in this war, whilst the Federation is doing badly. They are sitting on the sidelines for a prolonged period. You don't have to be actually getting zapped and going hungry for your mentality to pivot away from exploration to a more militant 'we gotta win this war, come what may' mentality.

 

[BillJ]

Watching the last episode, it just occurs to me how unlikable these people are. There's not one of them that seems like they are good people. Yes, we've had Starfleet officers go off the rails, even our heroes from time to time. But, those times served as a contrast of character. They were by-and-large moral people who from time-to-time lost their way. They felt like they believed in the Federation/Starfleet. It just wasn't something to serve their personal appetites.

Much like Battlestar (2004), I'm to the point that I'm rooting for the "bad guys" to win. Except, it took me a lot longer to feel like that with Battlestar.

Oh yeah, Landry was on the boarding party. She saw that their energy weapons were ineffective on the creature. There was no reason to make her an idiot to prove Burnham's theory about the creature.

 

[Cake]

How do you know that them overcoming their issues won’t also cause the same in Lorca?

He is written too much like an asshole. I think he is clearly there as someone the other characters have to overcome. I suspect at the end of the season they will try to negotiate a truce with the Klingons and he will be against it and for continuing the war until the Klingons are conquered.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Watching the last episode, it just occurs to me how unlikable these people are. There's not one of them that seems like they are good people. Yes, we've had Starfleet officers go off the rails, even our heroes from time to time. But, those times served as a contrast of character. They were by-and-large moral people who from time-to-time lost their way. They felt like they believed in the Federation/Starfleet. It just wasn't something to serve their personal appetites.

Much like Battlestar (2004), I'm to the point that I'm rooting for the "bad guys" to win. Except, it took me a lot longer to feel like that with Battlestar.

Oh yeah, Landry was on the boarding party. She saw that their energy weapons were ineffective on the creature. There was no reason to make her an idiot to prove Burnham's theory about the creature.

The sedative was to knock it out.

The rifle was to cut Ripper's hands and feet off.

Concentrated prolonged streams, like with that reinforced door from last week, which completely reminded me of the beginning of Phantom Menace on the FEDERATION STARSHIP.

What about the Doctor?

Is the Doctor Likeable?

Is he already dating Stamets, or are we going to watch them court?

 

[Tuskin38]

This episodes plot, at least the parts around the creature would not feel out of place in the TNG era shows.

Also, The house of Kor betrayed Voq, an Albino
A coincidence?

 

[Guy Gardener]

So they are like shaving their heads every day?

 

[Timo]

Oh yeah, Landry was on the boarding party. She saw that their energy weapons were ineffective on the creature. There was no reason to make her an idiot to prove Burnham's theory about the creature.

Her one excuse could be that she took a bigger gun out of Lorca's locker....

But we saw the creature cut into hull metal. We saw a phaser rifle cut into hull metal. It doesn't follow that a phaser rifle would cut into the creature, but it's a distinct possibility, and a matter of dwell time.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Guy Gardener]

Ripper manipulates space and energy.

It's invulnerability to phaser fire and ability to rend duranium (is the root of duranium durable?) might have more to do with manipulating the frequencies of incoming phaser fire, and warping space on an elemental level.

 

[Timo]

"Manipulating matter", as opposed to just clawing at it, would be a nice way to explain why Landry didn't bleed all that much...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

Don't forget that Michael spent six months in a Federation maximum security prison. Which apparently involves hard labor and who knows what kind of psychological torture in this period of time.

Why would a United Federation of Planets correctional facility in 2256 employ psychological torture as a means of rehabilitation? What is this? Dagger of the Mind?

 

[Guy Gardener]

"Manipulating matter", as opposed to just clawing at it, would be a nice way to explain why Landry didn't bleed all that much...

Timo Saloniemi

I could do that to Landry with a sharpened toaster.

Yes, it's stronger than a hippo, so humans meat is going to split and burst, but syfy magic space ship hull plating is stronger than modern tank armour, you'd think.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Why would a United Federation of Planets correctional facility in 2256 employ psychological torture as a means of rehabilitation? What is this? Dagger of the Mind?

Tim may mean that the other prisoners are assholes.

Have you not watched Oz or Orange is the New Black?

Every day is a new opportunity for a fellow prisoner to steal your eyelids, if they run out of toilet paper.

 

[oberth]

I could do that to Landry with a sharpened toaster.

Yes, it's stronger than a hippo, so humans meat is going to split and burst, but syfy magic space ship hull plating is stronger than modern tank armour.

sharpened toaster or not, i don't think i'd stand a chance against a trained security officer

 

[Guy Gardener]

sharpened toaster or not, i don't think i'd stand a chance against a trained security officer

"Amendment"

I could do that to Landry with a sharpened toaster, if she stood there calmly and let me.

 

[oberth]

"Amendment"

I could do that to Landry with a sharpened toaster, if she stood there calmly and let me.

that's kinda different :bat: