You might have had a point if it wasn't just shown to work perfectly fine on Klingons.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x04 - "The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry"
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Pretty dark stuff IMO. Using that critter like that is hopefully going to bite them in the ass pretty soon.
I loathe Lorca... but I love Isaac's performance. I also like the hint of dissent between Lorca and his XO (what's his name?), and the security chief's (and hers?) death was quite satisfying (although I somehow got the vibe that there was somthing going on between her and Lorca last week, but Lorca reacted awfully coldly here). Love the optics and effects of that spore drive, love the rotating saucer part. And I agree: I love the way women are actually dressed (and treated) like "real" characters, not just as sex-toys.
Still can't stand all that Klingon stuff. I'd definitely have prefered original aliens or at least a lesser known species. But Klingons, no matter their nth redesign just don't do it for me. Endlessly boring and slowing down the rest of the action. And them eating the Shenzou-captain? Please... urgh and bad shock-effect, nothing more.
And let's not talk about the fact that Starfleet actually leaves the Shenzou out there to be stripped bare by anyone just passing by (including the Klingons)? It's not as though the location weren't known, so if I were head of the war efforts, I'd either tow the ship somewhere safe or destroy it (after of course stripping it myself of anything that could be used as spare parts in other ships like that processing unit). Just think about technology falling into the wrong hands...
And quite frankly, I'd love a little levity, Discovery so far is taking itself quite a bit too seriously. BSG in disguise (and that security officer's going to turn up again... *g*).
I loathe Lorca... but I love Isaac's performance. I also like the hint of dissent between Lorca and his XO (what's his name?), and the security chief's (and hers?) death was quite satisfying (although I somehow got the vibe that there was somthing going on between her and Lorca last week, but Lorca reacted awfully coldly here). Love the optics and effects of that spore drive, love the rotating saucer part. And I agree: I love the way women are actually dressed (and treated) like "real" characters, not just as sex-toys.
Still can't stand all that Klingon stuff. I'd definitely have prefered original aliens or at least a lesser known species. But Klingons, no matter their nth redesign just don't do it for me. Endlessly boring and slowing down the rest of the action. And them eating the Shenzou-captain? Please... urgh and bad shock-effect, nothing more.
And let's not talk about the fact that Starfleet actually leaves the Shenzou out there to be stripped bare by anyone just passing by (including the Klingons)? It's not as though the location weren't known, so if I were head of the war efforts, I'd either tow the ship somewhere safe or destroy it (after of course stripping it myself of anything that could be used as spare parts in other ships like that processing unit). Just think about technology falling into the wrong hands...
And quite frankly, I'd love a little levity, Discovery so far is taking itself quite a bit too seriously. BSG in disguise (and that security officer's going to turn up again... *g*).
Tasers usually work fine too. But I've seen someone shot with 3, and keep going. Stun guns aren't consistently reliable when the stakes are death and the timing split second.
Overall, I think the series so far is okay. I'm not really excited for it, but I don't hate it either. Meh.
Random misgiving:
Random misgiving:
- That spore drive has to go sooner or later. There's absolutely no way it fits into continuity on a long-term basis (the fact that "Ripper" seems to be reacting badly to being used hints that the drive is going to have a short tenure).
- That engineering fellow reminds me so much of Rodney McKay from Stargate: Atlantis.
Hi,
I am new here but I would like to shre my thoughts.
I think Discovery so far has been a good work in progress. We know it's the prime timeline (great!), and we know that the producers mentioned it might take a while before everything would make sense. Fantastic - so let's wait and see before going ballistic on the lack of continuity, breaking canon, and what not.
I also think that visual restyling given to Discovery makes sense. I mean, do we really want to see the same technology from 1966 used here? Holograms instead of video comms make more sense, don't you think? I do not see anything terrible there.
I do think that the show is sacrificing narrative in order to be mroe action packed (looks to me some things are not well thought-after, like the defense on Corvan 2 or how many ships got at T'Kuvma's ship within hours from both the Klingon and Federation side).
Also, the spore engine is great technology, but I am sure it will fail somehow because we have not heard of it in other series, so let's just wait and see what happens there.
Klingons: I liek them. I mean, the overall Klingonness to them has been maintained, they are just somewhat different from what we are used to. That might or might not be a good thing - only time will tell.
P.S.
- I really hope all of this would will end up being part of Section 31!
I am new here but I would like to shre my thoughts.
I think Discovery so far has been a good work in progress. We know it's the prime timeline (great!), and we know that the producers mentioned it might take a while before everything would make sense. Fantastic - so let's wait and see before going ballistic on the lack of continuity, breaking canon, and what not.
I also think that visual restyling given to Discovery makes sense. I mean, do we really want to see the same technology from 1966 used here? Holograms instead of video comms make more sense, don't you think? I do not see anything terrible there.
I do think that the show is sacrificing narrative in order to be mroe action packed (looks to me some things are not well thought-after, like the defense on Corvan 2 or how many ships got at T'Kuvma's ship within hours from both the Klingon and Federation side).
Also, the spore engine is great technology, but I am sure it will fail somehow because we have not heard of it in other series, so let's just wait and see what happens there.
Klingons: I liek them. I mean, the overall Klingonness to them has been maintained, they are just somewhat different from what we are used to. That might or might not be a good thing - only time will tell.
P.S.
- I really hope all of this would will end up being part of Section 31!
Meh, leaving the Shenzhou derelict didn't bother me. Starfleet's done that before - the Stargazer for example. The hull was breached so I assumed most things not strapped down were blown out.
Nice episode, showed us a lot more about Burnham. I like how she's doubled down on her logical Vulcan scientific training after her human impulsiveness got her captain killed. There was a bit of classic Trek morality in the reckless and aggressive security chief getting brutally killed, and Burnham using diplomacy, logic and scientific rigour to save the day.
The Klingon subplot was fine. Still in the early days of building the characters, but I got more of a feel for Voq and Lrell this time.
Nice episode, showed us a lot more about Burnham. I like how she's doubled down on her logical Vulcan scientific training after her human impulsiveness got her captain killed. There was a bit of classic Trek morality in the reckless and aggressive security chief getting brutally killed, and Burnham using diplomacy, logic and scientific rigour to save the day.
The Klingon subplot was fine. Still in the early days of building the characters, but I got more of a feel for Voq and Lrell this time.
The one with the real prime Star Trek?
Don't forget Tuvix.
#NeverForget #JanewayWasWrong #ItWasMurderDon't forget Tuvix.
That poor tardigrade. So I guess we will get animal torture for the next weeks. Not looking forward to it. Nearly all the Starfleet characters are at best morally grey, if not outright assholes. Outside of the really dark tone, this is the main difference to former Star Trek series. It is impossible to really root and like any of the DIS characters, when they do all the time morally questionable things. They are also not written as entertaining villains. Obviously we are still suppose to prefer The Federation over the Klingons. If the Klingons scenes wouldn't be so utterly boring, I might root for them nevertheless. Unfortunately the scenes on the Discovery weren't so much better this week. The episode dragged too much for my taste. It was mostly boring.
Because Star Trek has never ( to use American speak for copying) ripped off Star Trek before, except for all the times it did.
Star Trek playing fast and loose with science???? Say it isn't so!!!!!! Herbivores with sharp things on their bodies are hardly unusual. Actual tardigrade mouth
Black Alert is for when they use the Spore drive. Why would that be a Red Alert?
And as I pointed before one's breath print is a unique as a fingerprint. Though for Georgiou to use that she'd need a copy of Burnham's "print". A fingerprint would probably already be on file. And what exactly is wrong with using different security controls?
Spinning ship structure is part of the Spore Drive. It's pretty obvious, but then you missed the connection between the Black Alert and the Spore Drive too.
There is a guy who stepped an exploding rock. And woman who was turned into a polyhedron and crushed. A guy who was snuck up on by a seven foot tall android and tossed off a cliff. A couple of guys who were seduced by a sexy salt monster. Tasha killed by a sentient oil slick.
How is she being an "asshole" again? I'm not seeing it, but I'm no expert. My read is she's punishing herself
Have we watched the same episode? Burnham was pretty clearly against hurting the tardigrade.
I'm still totally undecided on Discovery. Currently I give both Discovery and Orville 5/10. But I'm pretty sure at the end of the season I'll still give Orville exactly 5/10, but Discovery could be anywhere from 0 to 10.
If only we could have a Trek series that combined the positives of Discovery with the positives of Orville, it'd be the best Trek ever.
Seriously, Trek has been magically split into two halves neither of which can survive without the other.
If only we could have a Trek series that combined the positives of Discovery with the positives of Orville, it'd be the best Trek ever.
Seriously, Trek has been magically split into two halves neither of which can survive without the other.
Yeah I think people aren't giving the show enough credit. We keep doing this. The characters have shown they realise the same things we do, such as the ambiguity of Burnham's blame for the war, or in this case the effect on the tardigrade. They explicitly discuss and telegraph this stuff in the show. I almost guarantee it comes up as a plot point in future episodes.
I think this episode hinted at the first threads of them getting beyond their morally grey values, which Burnham's concerned over the welfare of the tardigrade and Stamets complaining about his mission.
And she still did nothing to stop it. It was even her research which gave the others the idea to use it this way.
War obviously justifies every morally abhorrent thing in this series. Because I am sure that when there are no humans to rescue on a colony, they will still continue torturing the tardigrade. After Discovery's success Starfleet is likely already planning to build more ships with spore drives and to capture, enslave and torture even more tardigrades.
"Needs of the Many" - Corvan II needed relief/Federation citizens needed saving; and the war effort needed the Dilithium.
Well, it was only when they hooked up the tardigrade to the spore drive that she was able to witness firsthand what it does to it. Did you notice her compassionate look at the tardigrade in that scene? Or the scene later, when she visits it and brings it food? Burnham was pretty clearly advocating for not hurting the creature.
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