Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x04 - "The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry"
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The Klingons are the weakest part of the show.
Too bad they killed off the Security Chief.
Not a big fan of the Saru-Burnham hostility.
I was watching with my daughter (several states away). She called the bit about the monster. I only knew the easy thing to call; how they would end the ep with the message from Georgiou.
Too bad they killed off the Security Chief.
Not a big fan of the Saru-Burnham hostility.
I was watching with my daughter (several states away). She called the bit about the monster. I only knew the easy thing to call; how they would end the ep with the message from Georgiou.
There are countless records of primal societies eating the hearts of their foes in order to absorb their power, or diminish it,depending on the society. When you get down to the nitty gritty, and you search in your anthropological soul, it doesn't sound even the least far fetched. Sometimes I think the Klingons piss people off so much because they are the us before we became "civilized"...and when they are successful, they make us question ourselves..our supposed civility.
Shame you didn't finish it till the end becasue the payoff was very star trek.
Well that was fun! This show has continued to convince me that visually, this ain't the Prime universe. Fortunately, I've reached the point where I couldn't give less of a rat's ass. Creators say it is, that's good enough for me. I look forward to the handwavery and fanwankery that is to come.
The saucer's outer ring spins! That looks fucking awesome.
I'm starting to like where the Klingon story is going; the mention of the women of the lady Klingon's house makes me think of the Sisterhood from Doctor Who. Still, they should have used some of that big CBS budget for extensive ADR for these unlucky actors. The House of Cottonmouth has got to go; it's starting to get ridiculous.
I want more. Like, now. I'll reuse that Colbert gif if I have to.
The saucer's outer ring spins! That looks fucking awesome.
I'm starting to like where the Klingon story is going; the mention of the women of the lady Klingon's house makes me think of the Sisterhood from Doctor Who. Still, they should have used some of that big CBS budget for extensive ADR for these unlucky actors. The House of Cottonmouth has got to go; it's starting to get ridiculous.
I want more. Like, now. I'll reuse that Colbert gif if I have to.
Yeah, the flag for Zombie!Giorgiou can be laid down now. Yeah, all two of you.
No worries; the TOS and Berman-era Prime universe lives on in literally hundreds of Trek novels that have been written over the last several decades. Live long and read lots.
The previews seems to suggest that she does.
So you say. Please list three identifiable clues in past or current episodes that predicted this occurrence.
I don't think she was being a dick to Tilly. Tilly brought Georgiou's "Last Will and Testament" to her. It was obvious that Georgiou's death still is painful for Burnham so I wouldn't expect her to appear friendly at that point.
I really like Captain Lorca. I would not want to work for Captain Lorca, but as a wartime captain he is fascinating and refreshing. Irreverent by eating when the admiral called on him, a win at all costs attitude, not putting up with Stamets pouting and his "I'm taking all the toys and going home" attitude. I hope they do not kill him off. Stamets and Saru both need to stop the whining and do what is needed to help their captain win.
The security officer deserved to die at Ripper's claws. She was annoying and poorly written. But I'm glad Burnham decided to make friends with the creature and with Tilly.
The Klingons are disgusting, particularly all the ones who ate their enemy. I hope they are a cult or a subculture or anything except normal Klingons. My Klingons are supposed to have hair and look something like Worf and B'Elanna from Voyager. They don't eat people.
The security officer deserved to die at Ripper's claws. She was annoying and poorly written. But I'm glad Burnham decided to make friends with the creature and with Tilly.
The Klingons are disgusting, particularly all the ones who ate their enemy. I hope they are a cult or a subculture or anything except normal Klingons. My Klingons are supposed to have hair and look something like Worf and B'Elanna from Voyager. They don't eat people.
Well, this episode was a excizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
1. Far better Klingon scenes than in the prologue. Still rough, but not nearly as painful to gut through. I liked the twist with Voq getting overthrown.
2. Great to see Michelle Yeoh again. I hope there's more where that comes from.
3. I like where they seem to be going with the creature. Very Trekkian to go from "the creature is a virtual xenomorph" to better understanding it and realizing what makes it tick. But now,we've set up a very interesting question about the ethics of using this creature in this way...makes you wonder if that is the reason they don't end up using this "drive" later in canon...because of the ethics involved.
4. Lorca is a lot like Captain Jellico. The speech in "A Few Good Men" from Jack Nicholson comes to mind (You want me on that wall...You NEED me on that wall). That's Lorca. He's the guy who you need when the civilized, moral, ethical, stuff doesn't help you survive a war. When the knife is at your throats and your evolved sensibility has nothing to do with preserving your life. I like it...a lot. And (drawing yet another parallel here) it will be interesting to see if he's an Edison in-the-making and will be discarded when the war is over...or if he will have a different fate.
5. Landry was an idiot who got what she deserved.
6. How was the Shenzhu not scuttled and the Klingon flagship just left to float there?
7. Ship was brighter this week. Sickbay, corridors and engineering were all lit better.
8. The playing of the distress signal was fucking brutal.
9. Phillipa's last will was a little more fucking brutal.
10. The frigging production values are unbelievable. It's like a movie every week. Unreal.
11. Saru is over-doing the "being an a-hole to Burnham" bit. Was interesting last episode...kind of over-done in this one. And then Burnham uses him...and kind of justifies it.
12. On the other hand, Paul was far more reasonable this week +1 for him.
Rate it 8/10. Could have been a 9 if Landry wasn't such a dumb pawn and the ethics of how the creature was handled were delved into a bit more...but methinks that will be a big part of the plot going forward...so slow-burn it is.
2. Great to see Michelle Yeoh again. I hope there's more where that comes from.
3. I like where they seem to be going with the creature. Very Trekkian to go from "the creature is a virtual xenomorph" to better understanding it and realizing what makes it tick. But now,we've set up a very interesting question about the ethics of using this creature in this way...makes you wonder if that is the reason they don't end up using this "drive" later in canon...because of the ethics involved.
4. Lorca is a lot like Captain Jellico. The speech in "A Few Good Men" from Jack Nicholson comes to mind (You want me on that wall...You NEED me on that wall). That's Lorca. He's the guy who you need when the civilized, moral, ethical, stuff doesn't help you survive a war. When the knife is at your throats and your evolved sensibility has nothing to do with preserving your life. I like it...a lot. And (drawing yet another parallel here) it will be interesting to see if he's an Edison in-the-making and will be discarded when the war is over...or if he will have a different fate.
5. Landry was an idiot who got what she deserved.
6. How was the Shenzhu not scuttled and the Klingon flagship just left to float there?
7. Ship was brighter this week. Sickbay, corridors and engineering were all lit better.
8. The playing of the distress signal was fucking brutal.
9. Phillipa's last will was a little more fucking brutal.
10. The frigging production values are unbelievable. It's like a movie every week. Unreal.
11. Saru is over-doing the "being an a-hole to Burnham" bit. Was interesting last episode...kind of over-done in this one. And then Burnham uses him...and kind of justifies it.
12. On the other hand, Paul was far more reasonable this week +1 for him.
Rate it 8/10. Could have been a 9 if Landry wasn't such a dumb pawn and the ethics of how the creature was handled were delved into a bit more...but methinks that will be a big part of the plot going forward...so slow-burn it is.
Not as good as last week, but still better than the first two. I'd say the over all trend is still up, for me at least. Though this episode doesn't pull me back to rewatch it like last week's did. The cute little critter not liking being used for war is kind of cliched, and the Klingons are only slightly better, which means they're only slightly less irritating, but still irritating. The spinning saucer section was kind of cool though.
The Landry character is supposed to be in 11 episodes according to IMDB. Either IMDB is wrong or something weird is going to happen.
The Landry character is supposed to be in 11 episodes according to IMDB. Either IMDB is wrong or something weird is going to happen.
That is what I like about Lorca. He is a character I should dislike but dang he makes me like him but that fits in perfect with the story of how he can get people like the security officer to do stupid things.
I can understand both sides of the dilemma. On one side you have a Federation that is trying to avoid extinction at the hands of the Klingons, and are willing to bend, or even outright cast aside their values to survive. On the other, you have the moral costs of such a decision. How far is too far when self preservation is on the line. In real life we know that line can stretch a long ways.
Don'r knock it til you try it, put a little on your plate. Qapla'!
The Klingons have always been brutal, see Deep Space Nine for example. In 'Apocalypse rising' Sisko overhears a Klingon boasting about boarding a federation ship and beheading the helmsman and ripping the breathing tube from the Benzite Captain. In another episode a Klingon is wearing a necklace made of Cardassian neckbones which i assumed he got by defiling the corpse of cardassians he killed. As for Captain's warmongering, Sisko technically started the war with the Dominion and also was the mastermind behind the plan to drag the Romulans into the war, a plan which made him an accessory to Murder.
What's happening in Discovery isn't anything new really. I'm glad the Klingons are finally scary again.
Darmok is a great episode, but Riker was a total warmongering buffoon throughout the whole thing.
I know it was so Burnham could finish figuring it out on her own (and also because Lorca doesn't believe in science), but better information-sharing among different projects in the ship would've probably saved Landry and who knows how many miners by letting Burnham figure out why the water bear (shame they didn't use that term, it's cuter) was on the Glenn and what the missing super-computer was the moment she saw it react to the jump. It always frustrates me when I that far ahead of the characters, but I have a feeling that it's an arc-thing and not an idiot-ball thing (well, I guess it can be both).
Remember when Saint Picard jokingly threatened an alien during a diplomatic encounter by saying that if he tried to screw over the Federation and deal with the Ferengi instead, they'd probably just steal his stuff and then eat him? I guess anthropophagy is just funnier when it happens to someone else.
And as for the Klingons specifically, it hardly seemed much more horrible than the Klingon captain in "Apocalypse Rising" bragging about how he killed Sisko's friend slow.
Remember when Saint Picard jokingly threatened an alien during a diplomatic encounter by saying that if he tried to screw over the Federation and deal with the Ferengi instead, they'd probably just steal his stuff and then eat him? I guess anthropophagy is just funnier when it happens to someone else.
And as for the Klingons specifically, it hardly seemed much more horrible than the Klingon captain in "Apocalypse Rising" bragging about how he killed Sisko's friend slow.
I did not expect a few turns this took. Including the "Monster" being non aggressive and a part of the Glynns navigation system. I did not expect the death, nor the Klingons to have eaten a dead human. But then, starving humans eat dead humans at times.
I don't think anyone who knows anything fills that info in. Ash Tyler is listed in 15 episodes, and we know he can't be in more than 11.
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