Oh, but this is the internet. Only the worst examples are real. Everything else doesn't count.
Let's talk about the elephant in the room, this series violates Roddenberry's vision big time
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Oh, but this is the internet. Only the worst examples are real. Everything else doesn't count.
So encountering constant stories of police violence from groups and people online, just about every week for I don't know how long now, is all to be ignored because it isn't happening in the sphere of influence of one or two people I don't know?
Not sure what Gene's vision was, but I am sure of the Star Trek I had watched for 30years now.
The Star Trek universe is quite specific and it doesn't resemble our present times.
STD is like a contemporary drama in space and so far a rather shallow one, I feel like watching "Hawai 5-0 or NCIS in Space"...
If this series didn't have "Star Trek" in its title, I wouldnt' bother with it anymore.
I had a conversation with a fellow Trekkie and best friend in real life (we both own vibrating tribbles lol) and at the end her argument was
"yeah it is nothing special, but if this is the only Star Trek available, hell, I will take it".
I believe this is where the STD TPTB count: on the fan's desire to have the Star Trek franchise survive.
But at what cost?
The Star Trek universe is quite specific and it doesn't resemble our present times.
STD is like a contemporary drama in space and so far a rather shallow one, I feel like watching "Hawai 5-0 or NCIS in Space"...
If this series didn't have "Star Trek" in its title, I wouldnt' bother with it anymore.
I had a conversation with a fellow Trekkie and best friend in real life (we both own vibrating tribbles lol) and at the end her argument was
"yeah it is nothing special, but if this is the only Star Trek available, hell, I will take it".
I believe this is where the STD TPTB count: on the fan's desire to have the Star Trek franchise survive.
But at what cost?
I think this needs to be taken for what it is.
The news reports the loudest of the loud. As an example mass shootings account for a very very very very small amount of our 40kish gun deaths a year. Most are suicides and a close second are violent crimes almost all of which are done with hand guns,
news will report the mass shootings though, it's the most emotional and easiest to sensationalize.
No different with police interactions. Yes there are a lot more negative police interactions than people, including other cops would like.
That isn't to say it's the most, or the norm, or that it should be ignored just cause it isn't. But putting it into perspective and context is so important.
If availability bias trumps reality, that's fine, I gain nothing from convincing you. And I said nothing about violence. I did say that Landry's caricatured snarling and derogatory language toward a prisoner is a poorly written caricature of a 'tough police officer' which is outdated even today. That's it.
I can see your point.
I think there is some correlation to the times and the shows. Not always but it has been there. There were elements of worry about the Cold War in TOS as well as in some of TNG. I think DS9 deals with the idea of nation-building and the rise of theocracies in the wake of the fall of an empire at a time when that was going on. I can't find much relevant with Voyager. The parallels of the Xindi attack and 911 are visible, as well as the rise of xenophobia afterwards.
I'm not sure what the modern equivalent of Discovery is except perhaps we're (the US anyway) a culture that's been at war so long, but in a distant war, that a never ending state of brushfire war just seems natural. We know we must win this conflict with terrorism, but there is no criteria for victory. Previous ST crews have had the mission to boldly go where no one has gone before.This mission is to "send everyone home, safe and happy." Lorca seems to long for a time when things were objectively better for the Federation, and why shouldn't he. It might well be to close to comfort if i think about it that way.
Agreed.
Roddenberry post TOS turned into a wanna be L Ron Hubbard. I refuse to worship at the alter of the "Great Bird of the Galaxy". By a lot of accounts Roddenberry was kind of a dumpster fire of a human being.
I thought Gene's vision was to be rolling in a pile of money with a bunch of naked women. Am I missing something?
Not just Gene himself, but those around him contributed to his deification.
Now that's a vision I can drink to! But it does fit with the stories about him.
Yeah, I think it's crazy for anyone to specifically argue that Roddenbery's vision has been betrayed when they started moving away from it in TNG almost as soon as Roddenberry ailed enough to intervene, and in a lot of ways DS9 completely blew past it. Gene would never have allowed DS9 to turn into what it was if he was still alive (or he would have been shitting all over it).
That said, I agree with others who say that so far DIS has taken things further than even DS9. The optimism of the Federation's utiopia was really only evident in small clips of episodes 1 and 3. Even DS9 at its darkest would still have periodic uplifting episodes and character interactions to lighten the mood. I'm not getting that from this series at all yet.
That said, I agree with others who say that so far DIS has taken things further than even DS9. The optimism of the Federation's utiopia was really only evident in small clips of episodes 1 and 3. Even DS9 at its darkest would still have periodic uplifting episodes and character interactions to lighten the mood. I'm not getting that from this series at all yet.
If Saru is sent back in time to shoot JFK, then Roddenberry's vision is safe.
Yeah, the whole "garbage" and "animals" lines were jarring, to say the least. Nothing about the show grabs me as "Star Trek" right now.
Of course they do. Humans are a fickle bunch.
Gene Roddenberry died in 1991. His vision can no longer change, or grow. It's completely static and based on what he thought the world should look like from the perspective of the 80's. Now I don't want to shortchange him or deny his influence, but if Trek is going to grow and continue to stay relevant, It can't be confined to what one man in the 80's thought the future should look like.
The estate owns nothing of Star Trek. CBS owns it all, completely. The Roddenberry hire just felt like them pandering to fans.
