The first TV Trek in more than a decade-plus shouldn't have needed such a tired trope right out of the gate.
Let's talk about the elephant in the room, this series violates Roddenberry's vision big time
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The first TV Trek in more than a decade-plus shouldn't have needed such a tired trope right out of the gate.
I want to see an "adventures of young Curzon Dax." It seems like he led an incredible life and would make a great modern protagonist.
You may be right.
On the other hand, no show is going to be free of stereotypical archetypes all together. In the interest of writing, you can't uniquely backstory everyone perfectly. You need to narrow the focus and will have to archetype some characters to make them easy to digest so as to move on to the characters whos story you're trying to tell. Also, characters like that whos story isn't the focus can be a good tool to set an environment, use a stereotype as more "color" to the background.
Just to spitball a little. The show is clearly establishing that our Science guy don't quite trust the military types. Having such a basic character with these easily identifiable traits does help to establish this environment a little, leaving less time to have to explain it and more time to tell the story.
All my ranting aside, you're still probably right
Well damn I was just making a joke but that one don't sound like a bad idea,
How old was "Dax" supposed to be.
any chance of us running into Dax in this time period?
I agree. But the way they presented Landry was simply all wrong, we could've gotten that she wasn't the perfect officer without calling prisoners "garbage" and "animals". That grated on me in a really bad way.
It reeked of lazy writing.
I agree. It seems like some of the characters aren't being conceived with much thought. They are Starfleet. We saw better behavior a hundred years prior to this in ENT.
I have this tendency to give writers of a Trek show as much slack as possible,
their job is already hard enough cause we're trek fans. You're right it is lazy writing.
I do too. I tend to give Trek more slack than other things I watch.
As long as the checks clear Roddenberry's vision is intact
Agreed. The fight in the mess hall would have made all the same points without that cartoonish language.
He probably heard the same words we all did from the cast and producers before the series premiered, and frankly I don't see much of what they claim is there.
Dax should be around, but not Curzon. The Dax symbiont was first joined in 2168 - seven years after the end of Enterprise. The most likely host at the time was Emony - an Olympic gymnast - since she canonically was a host during the 2240s. She also apparently hooked up with a young McCoy. By the time of Discovery it could have been Audrid however, who was just a boring mother.
I respected Gene. If he was still alive and well, he could try to enforce his vision. The late great Michael Piller did a good job of keeping Gene happy while still telling good stories. But ever since Gene died they have basically ignored the no conflict among the main characters rule.
Discovery, like DS9, is going to tell stories about a dark time in federation history but will ultimately be about a positive and uplifting future that is very much in Trek spirit (at least that is my expectation).
Discovery, like DS9, is going to tell stories about a dark time in federation history but will ultimately be about a positive and uplifting future that is very much in Trek spirit (at least that is my expectation).
Perhaps not...But it is the complete antithesis of what makes good drama imo...
I also seem to recall a certain Southern Doctor being extremely 'cranky' and downright hostile at times on TOS - To name but one character - and few were more noble than he! The TOS crew bickered and laughed and fought all the time - like real human beings! And I don't recall anyone accusing them of violating Roddenberry's vision! I'm sure all the dick jokes in the Orville, the self-titled, by some fans 'real trek', are far more in keeping with Gene's 'vision'
Rod got a paycheck. I imagine the bulk on his work on Discovery was signing the back of the check and depositing it.
Im so happy for informed people like you
Boring mother or not, I'd actually kinda like to see it.
You do know cultcross works for law enforcement, right? He comes into contact with law enforcement officers on a daily basis.
All of them? personally?
What a strange requirement - do you know all of them personally? Because you're slightly undermining your own observation with that requirement. If I as a qualified custody officer don't have the experience to comment on whether real police call prisoners 'animals' and 'garbage', then you definitely don't.
