Actually sounds like a most sensible approach.
Are you depressed over bad reviews or simply don't give a F--?!
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I'm more depressed about what was created, not how it was reviewed. This just doesn't seem like a well thought out series. Too many flaws in character personifications... and the dialog is just not engaging enough. It just doesn't feel like "Star TreK". It's like an entirely different sci-fi series that just happens to be reusing Star Trek elements. My first impression was "promising" while I was watching it the first time, but then I let a week go by and re-watched... and I don't feel that way anymore. If this is representative of the rest of the series, I know I'm not going to indulge in it, let alone pay for it.
What 'bad reviews' are we discussing exactly? The wording presupposes that we're familiar with some huge backlash to Star Trek, and that doesn't correspond to my experience at all. The show is off to a great start and the critical response has been pretty good.
Pretty much the only people who categorically bash it are the ones who'd rather watch the alt-Trek show on Fox.
Pretty much the only people who categorically bash it are the ones who'd rather watch the alt-Trek show on Fox.
Even that is foolishness. People can exclusively prefer Orville if they want, and still leave Discovery alone. There's no need for fans of either to wish failure on the other.
And Psst...you CAN watch and enjoy BOTH for the same or different reasons... (Yeah...crazy I know)
Not sure that would be a bad thing.
Perhaps not...perhaps not.
DS9 dealt with religion on a regular basis
Indeed it did. By making the manifestations of the Prophets, such as the Orbs, things that everybody agreed were objectively real, the Bajoran religion fais to be analogous to any Abrahamic human religion. It does not contradict Roddenberry's vision where humanity has largely moved to being a society based on science and rationale, rather than belief in the supernatural.
Deep Space Nine handled religion in a more mature and thoughtful fashion. There we saw both the positives and the negatives of religious belief. You saw it being used to justify great evil, and great good. You saw it being used to justify genocide and you saw it being used to justify martyrdom for the sake of others. And most of all, you saw it being reconciled with science and rational thought. The Prophets were energy based aliens living in the artificial wormhole and with a non-linear perception of time -and they were also the Prophets in the Celestial Temple. The series as a whole came to be about Sisko having to straddle both worlds, as a Federation officer and as the Emissary, as a bastion of secular reason and as a representation of religious authority.
For sure, some of the trappings of religion seem to be present in the future, Picard's family celebrating XMAS in Generations and Kassidy talking about a priest for a wedding in DS9. It's clear though, that religion plays a lesser role (McCoy refers to Genesis as a myth) and we never see any character praying (barring aliens).
I think almost all critics praise the show...only the fanboy seem to hate it. I've watched every series and absolutely love it so far.
I've avoided Orville because it looks really dumb. I got excited about Discovery because of the casting demographics. I've watched half an hour of episode one, and I'm already terribly disappointed. It's just a lazy, lazy show.
Just posting because, while there is a contingent that hates Discovery for the wrong reasons (it's not Trek, it's Social Justicey...whatever that means), I dislike it on its own (de)merits. Not once do I buy that I'm watching a trained starship crew... or even a competent McDonald's shift team. Not once do I buy the universe. Not once do I believe the reality of the characters.
Trek deserves better than this. We deserve better. If you enjoy it, more power to you. But please avoid blanket statements.
Unless we count Crewman Angela Martine at the end of "Balance of Terror(TOS)," who appeared as if she may have been kneeling at the altar in the Enterprise's multifaith chapel and either silently praying or lost in deep thought. She was looking upwards at the ceiling as if she were imploring God to answer her questions as to why Robert Tomlinson had to die. She'd just lost her fiancee in the battle with the Romulan Bird-of-Prey and was grief-stricken, seeking solitude and solace in the chapel.
YES! Precisely, and very well said -- thanks!
No, it's only the audience that seems to be unimpressed - the show can't quite crack 60% audience approval at Rotten Tomatoes, for example.
Critical opinion can be interesting, but it neither keeps a show on the air nor often gets it cancelled.
No, its not. It is in fine shape financially. These aren't the old days when Neilsen ruled the roost.
The audience is not unimpressed, you are basing your conclusion on a ridiculously small sample size. Rotten Tomatoes currently has its' user rating based on a mere 2,581 people. Compare that with IMDB, which has 12,473 people and an average rating of 7.2/10
Both sample sizes are small, but the larger one (almost 5 times larger) surely carries more weight?
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