Are you depressed over bad reviews or simply don't give a F--?!

[Albinator]

Your the one that said the reason The Orville is rating so high is as an FU to CBS.



Maybe people just like it?

I'm sure plenty of people legitimately like Orville. But the people who claim it's "more Star Trek" or wish it were the new Trek series... BS. That's spite speaking.

And I've seen so many fans going onto Trek's social media raving about Orville who you can tell from their town are only continuing to watch ORV (or claiming to) because they want to stick it to CBS-- not because they don't like DSC, even-- but because it's on a paid app.

Sorry, Orville is junk comedy. If these people like that, fair enough, but it's not Trek.

And if DSC had been a Voyager clone like Orville is (but with sex and fart jokes), the fans would be just as upset. There is just NO winning with some fans. And CBS has rightly just decided to do what they think is best rather than listen to what fans say they want.

 

[Albinator]

But Discovery's plot is very simplistic. A cult leader is trying to unite the Klingon houses to attack the Federation. There's just not much storytelling you can do without introducing something more interesting than two fleets of ships shooting at each other.

So there's never been a Voyager, TNG, DS9, or ENT episode that was as simplistic and action driven?

BS. Open your eyes. You've seen ONE episode.

 

[BillJ]

I'm sure plenty of people legitimately like Orville. But the people who claim it's "more Star Trek" or wish it were the new Trek series... BS.

One of the great things about The Orville is that it isn't Star Trek. It is free to do its own thing. Of course that is on top of the great stories, great cast, fun setting.

 

[Albinator]

One of the great things about The Orville is that it isn't Star Trek. It is free to do its own thing. Of course that is on top of the great stories, great cast, fun setting.

I am not interested in Orville. Seth McFarlane's brand of humor does not appeal to me. But for those that it does, I think that's great. If they enjoy it, by all means, they are free to have fun with it.

But this "Orville is way better than Discovery" crap is tiresome. I might as well judge Law & Order by comparing it to Get Smart.

 

[BillJ]

But this "Orville is way better than Discovery" crap is tiresome. I might as well judge Law & Order by comparing it to Get Smart.

Right now, The Orville is more enjoyable than Discovery to me. If I had to pick one to go forward right now, I'd pick The Orville.

Everyone's mileage will vary.

 

[BorgKes]

So there's never been a Voyager, TNG, DS9, or ENT episode that was as simplistic and action driven?

BS. Open your eyes. You've seen ONE episode.

Even the "simplistic" action stories in previous Star Trek always had SOMETHING that made them more creative. Like in Scorpion, it wasn't just Voyager battling a bunch of borg cubes, there was also Species 8472 thrown in, which was a cool sci-fi idea (fluidic space, ships made of organic material), changed the tactics so more strategy was involved, and introduced a moral dilemma (do we help Species 8472 and risk them wiping out the borg and then the rest of the galaxy, or do we help the Borg, get ourselves passage through borg space, and become indirectly responsible for billions of people being assimilated). There were VERY few episodes of Star Trek that were as simplistic as the Discovery pilot.

Sorry, Orville is junk comedy. If these people like that, fair enough, but it's not Trek.

No it isn't. MacFarlane had to market it with a "twist" in order to get the series approved, but it's primarily a drama with some light comedy elements. It's very much like TNG and Voyager. The early seasons of TNG actually had a lot of comedy too, and The Orville's comedy is kind of similar. I don't think it's surprising at all that Star Trek fans love The Orville and are directly comparing the two series. The Orville is much more true to the themes of Star Trek than Discovery. And if there's any conspiracy going on here, it's the fact that The Orville got 20% on RT despite how good it is. 20% is absolutely ridiculous, and it's a lot more plausible to me that critics have an agenda.

 

[Campe]

Everyone's mileage will vary.

This. ABSOLUTELY this.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. There are both Orville and Discovery fans who are so dismissive of the fandom of the other show. People are entitled to their opinion. It does not make that opinion more right no matter who you are or your viewpoint.

It makes it YOUR opinion.

 

[Albinator]

No it isn't. MacFarlane had to market it with a "twist" in order to get the series approved, but it's primarily a drama with some light comedy elements.

IE: junk comedy.

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It's very much like TNG and Voyager. The early seasons of TNG actually had a lot of comedy too, and The Orville's comedy is kind of similar.

False narrative. There was never any similar kind of comedy.

I don't think it's surprising at all that Star Trek fans love The Orville and are directly comparing the two series. The Orville is much more true to the themes of Star Trek than Discovery.

OK, you've proven yourself either ill-informed, or woefully unable to accept reality, so that's enough. Have a good day.

 

[dahj]

You do realize, of the people that dislike what they've seen so far, only a fraction get into rating these things?

For stuff like the SW prequels or BvS, or Terminator Genisys, you know, things that have big loud chunks of the fanbase who think this is the worst thing that has ever happened in the history of humankind, the number of 1s is like 2-3%.

Discovery is at almost 12%.

So it's either that horrible, or people are reviewbombing it for whatever reason.

 

[BorgKes]

For stuff like the SW prequels or BvS, or Terminator Genisys, you know, things that have big loud chunks of the fanbase who think this is the worst thing that has ever happened in the history of humankind, the number of 1s is like 2-3%.

Discovery is at almost 12%.

So it's either that horrible, or people are reviewbombing it for whatever reason.

None of those movies were really as radical of a departure from their franchise as Discovery was, imho. BvS and Terminator Genisys were just low-quality and low-effort cash-ins, but they were still mostly the same genre of entertainment as their predecessors. And I doubt many people were as invested in the Terminator universe as Star Trek fans are. Watching Discovery reinforced for me that the Star Trek I loved growing up is really dead and probably won't come back. It was a gut punch. I'm not going to give it one star yet, because maybe they'll turn things around later, but I can understand why a lot of people would.

 

[dahj]

None of those movies were really as radical of a departure from their franchise

That is not what some very angry people on the internet claim.
Seriously, check it out, there's youtube videos and everything.

 

[BillJ]

Right now, my biggest issue with Discovery is that I just don't care about Michael Burnham. They tell me how great she is, but we see nothing of why Georgiou thinks so highly of her, or why she thought she was ready for the captaincy.

That's a huge problem for a show's central character.

Maybe the prologue should've been focused on a mission where we see how great Michael Burnham is and why we should care or think highly about her. Why we should care about her fall.

 

[Apparition B5]

I'm depressed that the fan reaction is as positive as it is, and that the show appears to be turning into an action franchise. I think negative reviewers are doing a good thing in that they might steer the show in a better direction for season 2. CBS thinks they have to copy Game of Thrones and Walking Dead in order to make a series in 2017, but I don't think that's true. I think we can still have optimistic Star Trek about exploration and cool sci-fi ideas in 2017.

FWIW, during the first After Trek episode, it was mentioned that only the first season of Discovery will be a grimdark war show. Should the show get a second season, the executive producers want to turn it back into happy fun exploration Star Trek.

 

[Roald]

Your the one that said the reason The Orville is rating so high is as an FU to CBS.



Maybe people just like it?

DSC 59%, Orville what, 89%? Come on... I can accept that the Orville is loved by many and that DSC gets founded negativity, but these numbers are absurd...

 

[BillJ]

DSC 59%, Orville what, 89%? Come on... I can accept that the Orville is loved by many and that DSC gets founded negativity, but these numbers are absurd...

Why? Because you disagree with them? People are fickle animals. Sometimes you can go to the well one time too often.

 

[NeoStar9]

Thing is the DSC number on RT continues to go down as more and more 1 or half star ratings are showing up. It was significantly higher then that earlier in the week. That's review bombing that is actually taking place. Review bombing is a thing that does happen and happens a lot to a lot of things and it's not hard to actually spot it when its taking place when there are no safe guards in place to stop it. No one expected DSC to be universally loved by Trek fans. No Trek show ever was. To ignore the other factors that take place with it, and were there before a single episode was shown is to ignore reality.

 

[BorgKes]

DSC 59%, Orville what, 89%? Come on... I can accept that the Orville is loved by many and that DSC gets founded negativity, but these numbers are absurd...

More absurd than critics giving The Orville 20% and Discovery 89%? The disparity in critic reactions is a lot more extreme.

FWIW, during the first After Trek episode, it was mentioned that only the first season of Discovery will be a grimdark war show. Should the show get a second season, the executive producers want to turn it back into happy fun exploration Star Trek.

That's very good to hear. I guess I'll start listening to After Trek. I plan on keeping my All Access subscription until at least season 2 in hopes that it gets better. I actually like All Access because it *should* give the fans more of a say in what they do with the series, since it will be mostly hardcore fans who are willing to pay for it.

 

[Mad Jack Wolfe]

FWIW, during the first After Trek episode, it was mentioned that only the first season of Discovery will be a grimdark war show. Should the show get a second season, the executive producers want to turn it back into happy fun exploration Star Trek.

Now this could work for me. If it becomes a tale of how the Federation blunders/gets tricked/whatever into a war and comes through it wiser with their ideals intact, that would be interesting to see.

 

[Apparition B5]

My guess is that the first season is a grimdark war show because:

• The first season's storyline was pitched by Bryan Fuller as the first season of an anthology Star Trek show.
• Kids these days expect premium television shows to be grimdark, thanks to Game of Thrones et al. So to people new to Star Trek which the show desperately needs, CBS can pull a bait and switch with the second season and just hope that enough new Trekkers will stay along for the ride.

 

[Roald]

Thing is the DSC number on RT continues to go down as more and more 1 or half star ratings are showing up. It was significantly higher then that earlier in the week. That's review bombing that is actually taking place. Review bombing is a thing that does happen and happens a lot to a lot of things and it's not hard to actually spot it when its taking place when there are no safe guards in place to stop it. No one expected DSC to be universally loved by Trek fans. No Trek show ever was. To ignore the other factors that take place with it, and were there before a single episode was shown is to ignore reality.

Agree... So it has a name, review bombing.............