Oh, I agree, a war with the Klingons can be called “universe changing”. But that's the result of the mistake Burnham is supposed to have made. My question is, what was the mistake? I don't see how either (1) killing the Torchbearer, (2) instigating a half-assed mini-mutiny or (3) killing T'Kuvma can be interpreted as starting a war.
By her OWN analysis - Burnham realized that killing T'Kuvma would make him a martyr.
But it's just her speculation that killing T'Kuvma would make him a martyr in the Klingons' eyes and further the possibility of a war. She doesn't know that; it's anything but a certainty to her. So I think it's a stretch to talk about what she did as a “universe changing mistake”, when we the audience know the Klingons wanted to have a war anyway.
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You're quoting me, but what you write isn't in disagreement with me. In fact, it's pretty much what I'm saying about the characters. Just like we don't know what happens to specific individuals, we also don't know what happens to specific planet, locations, etc. We just know that the Federation isn't destroyed. We know how it is during TOS.
Yeah. Burnham's character development is my biggest worry about this series. It is obviously the central element of the entire series, and I don't think they did good job with these crucial initial moments.
What's got me concerned is that at this stage, I should feel bad for her and want to see her story arc into redemption and become someone better than she was (along with helping those around her).
Exactly. I don't see how they can ever really put this behind her -- her story is forever tied to this, and I'm not super interested in that (at least not for more than maybe a season). Perhaps this is one of the reasons Discovery was originally meant to be an anthology. That would work much better than the notion this is the lead of an ongoing series.
You could?
Yes, that's what I gather as well. She's certainly convinced it was a mistake. I'm just not sure that's what the writers meant. But you are right, I guess – and hope – we will find out in later episodes. Will be interesting to see how they will address her actions in episode three.
Honestly! At this point, I could care less! Her character has come off as someone who's unlikable and given that something she may have done (be it mutiny, leaving the bridge to call Sarek, killing the first Torchbearer, etc) ended up costing lives, I don't see anything there that I can latch on to and root for.You could?
Yes, that's what I gather as well. She's certainly convinced it was a mistake. I'm just not sure that's what the writers meant. But you are right, I guess – and hope – we will find out in later episodes. Will be interesting to see how they will address her actions in episode three.
Oh, understood loud and clear. But I'm sure you meant to say “couldn't care less”.
I too, could care less, though I also could care more! But I still care a moderate amount!
I agree. I can understand the desire to emulate the Vulcan approach, however it won't apply to everyone doing that. And forcing her way to the point of mutiny just made her an unsympathetic character.
It wasn't, she would have never been allowed to join Starfleet with PTSD and grew up surrounded by telepaths.
