Poll Do You Believe STD Is Actually a Reboot [After Seeing It]?

[Jackson_Roykirk]

its the same reboot as TMP and TWOK was to TOS and TAS

Yes. Why should I have believed the TNG producers when they told me that TNG took place in the same universe as TOS?

Was it simply because we saw McCoy and (later) Spock and Sarek? Who's to say that the McCoy, Spock, and Sarek we saw in TNG were the same McCoy, Spock, and Sarek from the TOS Universe?

...(by the way, I'm not saying I think TNG was NOT the same universe as TOS -- I'm just playing devil's advocate to show that it can be argued in absurdity that they weren't.)

 

[Kane_Steel]

Why bother going out of your way to say that it takes place here if not to tie it into that universe in some way? Are they not allowed to say "Kelivn Timeline"? Is their some sort of dispute between CBS TV and Paramount Pictures? Did they have no other choice?

Watch Midnight's Edge, who honestly was right about a lot with regards to this show, props to them.

Les Moonves wanted the Kelvin/JJ Abrams aesthetics. Fuller did not. CBS made the series on the alternate Trek licence that Bad Robot used for the Kelvin Reboot movies.

Hence why everything looks like those films. The strategy seems to be pull the JJ Trek fans in with the aesthetics of the series, pull the classic fans in with the use of the words 'Prime Timeline'....even if they are used in a hollow manner.

 

[Spider]

Discovery takes place 10 years before the original series. It has different ships, uniforms, female captains and a shit ton of other discrepancies. It's a reboot. Not that I care, reboots are fine with me, but it IS a reboot.

 

[MvRojo]

Watch Midnight's Edge, who honestly was right about a lot with regards to this show, props to them.

Les Moonves wanted the Kelvin/JJ Abrams aesthetics. Fuller did not. CBS made the series on the alternate Trek licence that Bad Robot used for the Kelvin Reboot movies.

Hence why everything looks like those films. The strategy seems to be pull the JJ Trek fans in with the aesthetics of the series, pull the classic fans in with the use of the words 'Prime Timeline'....even if they are used in a hollow manner.

CBS owns the Star Trek license. They don't need to use an "alternative" Star Trek license to do anything

 

[Beagleman]

Whhyyyy is this still going on? The producers say prime it's prime, the producers say it's the dream of a North African Dung Beetle, it is the dream of a North African Dung Beetle, what they say goes, final. They are the creators, they are GOD! Lying to fans or whoever, why, how? The only truth there is is what they say, because they created the damn thing and they are the only ones with rights to declare it whatever the fuck they want. ...fucken tedious.

 

[seigezunt]

People seem to have a misunderstanding about what a visual reboot is. They've said time and again that this is in the Prime Universe.

Honestly, I'd have preferred they'd kept it vague, but that might have fueled more of this nonsense. A 2017 show is just going to look different than a 1966 one.

I don't get why this issue is so important to some people. We can easily make this work by just noting that Archer screwed with the timeline, too.

 

[seigezunt]

It's in the Prime universe, set 10 years before TOS. Does it "look" like it? Absolutely. Check your vision. You may have changed between 1967 and 2017, but sure as shit the setting is the same.

Let's all practice using our imaginations. When I used to read Star Trek novels, I'd set them in whatever era I imagined they were supposed to be in. Same difference here.

Indeed, there were a bunch of novels in the 1980s where it was entirely unclear when they were set, and often the cover and text were in conflict.

The good old days, when fans creatively filled in the inconsistencies, instead of running to social media to complain about them.

 

[Jayson1]

Whhyyyy is this still going on? The producers say prime it's prime, the producers say it's the dream of a North African Dung Beetle, it is the dream of a North African Dung Beetle, what they say goes, final. They are the creators, they are GOD! Lying to fans or whoever, why, how? The only truth there is is what they say, because they created the damn thing and they are the only ones with rights to declare it whatever the fuck they want. ...fucken tedious.

They can't control people's opinions or how they perceive things. Whether one consider's it prime or not is not all that different than trying to determine a character's motivation for doing something. Does Sarek feel guilty about how Burnham was raised or pride that she did the right thing according to her conscious?. How will Sara'u feel about Burnham they next time they meet? Will Burnham's remorse transform to anger and maybe into some bigotry towards the Klingons kind of like how it did to Kirk after David was killed? Exploring the meaning if a fictional universe offers up many possibilities and the producers can't control every possible reaction.

Jason

 

[seigezunt]

Yes, but casting it as some sort of "the producers are lying and trying to make us accept JJ" thing is tiresome by now.

 

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[Mudd]

They've said time and again that this is in the Prime Universe.

They can say anything they want. They're not going to go to jail for it.

 

[seigezunt]

They can say anything they want. They're not going to go to jail for it.

My point is, asked and answered.

 

[Rahul]

It's a very obvious visual reboot, that also very obviously tries to be a contentwise prequel.

There were a few canon inconistencies, like the klingon cloaking device, the holo-talks and stuff like that. But it is noticable they treated ground very carefully to be able to completely lead into TOS. The 60s series. And even include ENT on the way. Even more than, say, "Hannibal" (the series) was devised to lead to where the books started.

 

[Kor]

Did you not see the Klingons? They look nothing like Prime Klingons and exactly like Kelvin Klingons. ...

Not really. There are some superficial similarities, but these Klingons have much bulkier nose makeup that makes them look like they have crossed eyes and four nostrils, pasty gray and purplish skin complexions, gross bumpy necks, more prominent bony protrusions on their cheeks and chins, and ears that seem more like reptilian bumps on the sides of their heads instead of having the auricles and lobes as flaps detached at the edges.

The one and only Klingon face saw in the Kelvinverse didn't look quite like that.

Kor

 

[Morpheus 02]

For me, it FEELS like a reboot... one, at this point, that COULD connect with the Abrams universe... like maybe these uniforms are phasing out, while Kirk & the Acadamy Students were a part of the new uniforms.

I really feel they shouldn't bother trying to say it is "prime" universe... just make it a part of the new movie universe. I think the effects match, and we can embrace all the NEW Trek, and the movie and TV audiences can help build each other up.

I am sure what stories they do could be impactful, yet fit in with the new movie universe.

Plus, it would be an awesome way to bring back Bruce Greenwood for a guest shot.

 

[Worf2DS9]

I don't think this is a reboot, apart from the visual aspect. It's a show set in the 23rd century made in 2017 -- of course it's going to look more advanced than it did in the late '60s. You just have to go with it. It's a century beyond what was seen in the 2150s in Enterprise, so that kinda works too.

 

[Worf2DS9]

Did you not see the Klingons? They look nothing like Prime Klingons and exactly like Kelvin Klingons. In fact everything about the show looked like it takes place in the Kelvin universe.

The Klingons in Discovery looked nothing like Kelvin Klingons (seen in Into Darkness). Kelvin Klingons, while getting a slightly different look, at least were recognizable as Klingons with the familiar skin tone. Discovery Klingons, with their shiny blue and purple (and pale) skin, have been changed way too much IMO. Though that being said, if they had at least made them brown-skinned, the new makeup design would be easier to swallow.

 

[Nyotarules]

Discovery takes place 10 years before the original series. It has different ships, uniforms, female captains and a shit ton of other discrepancies. It's a reboot. Not that I care, reboots are fine with me, but it IS a reboot.

Oh the irony
TOS - not one female captain in sight
TOS Movies - Female captain on the Saratoga plus two sets of uniform changes.

 

[Kor]

Of course there were woman captains in the TOS era. Janice Lester was raving mad. You can't put much stock into what she said.

Kor

 

[Kane_Steel]

Oh the irony
TOS - not one female captain in sight
TOS Movies - Female captain on the Saratoga plus two sets of uniform changes.

If they wanted to, they could easily explain the lack of female Captains in TOS as a result of the militaristic practices during the recent Klingon war. Ship captains during war time may have needed to pass certain physical/strength tests and whatnot, due to the likelihood of armed combat with the Klingons.

By the films, we were decades into peace time, so a new wave of female captains emerged.