Poll Do You Believe STD Is Actually a Reboot [After Seeing It]?
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I voted Yes but I wanted a more ambivalent option. I think it's only a reboot to a point - think of the big visual differences between TOS and TMP, and then between TOS and TNG.
TMP was the first time in a decade since new Star Trek had aired, and then TNG was the first new series for nearly 20 years. Both times we had a big visual kickstart, and I feel that the current 12 year gap in TV Trek would suggest the same sort of differences.
It's just a TV show at the end of the day, and I'm perfectly happy thinking this is how Star Trek was supposed to look all these years. I love the SFX a lot and look forward to more.
TMP was the first time in a decade since new Star Trek had aired, and then TNG was the first new series for nearly 20 years. Both times we had a big visual kickstart, and I feel that the current 12 year gap in TV Trek would suggest the same sort of differences.
It's just a TV show at the end of the day, and I'm perfectly happy thinking this is how Star Trek was supposed to look all these years. I love the SFX a lot and look forward to more.
The Kelvinverse Klingon's face isn't as bony, and his ears are flaps like most humanoids. DSC Klingons' ears aren't. And Kelvin-guy doesn't have the weird elongated head. We don't see his neck, so we can't tell if he's supposed to have those weird scaly protrusions that the DSC Klingons have.
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The Discovery Klingons are all wearing masks to make them seem more Klingon. In the final episode, we'll find out that they all have smooth heads under their mask.
They just don't like talking about it.
They just don't like talking about it.
I've seen this sentiment quite a lot in discussion about this show. The Original show came out in the 60s and it was it's imagination of the future, every show created from then on in a prequel time line cannot become a slave to that design ethic. I'm glad STD (We need to come up with a better acronym) is kind of ignoring that atheistic (outside of ship exterior design and a few sound effects) and the "tech advances" described in TNG era shows. This show should be about the 2017 vision of the future, not the 1960 or 1990 vision of the future.
When TMP came out, Gene Roddenberry's explanation for the different look of the Klingons was "They've always looked this way." Works for me.
And if you want to bring up a fourth-wall joke in DS9, or the unbelievably ridiculous augment virus subplot of Enterprise, I refer you to "James R. Kirk". Sometimes we just recognize when something shouldn't be canon and move on...
No matter how many times this non-sense comes up, I laugh. CBS owns Star Trek, all of it.
Why are you ignoring the fact that in universe some Federation species are stronger than humans including their females? Based on your logic humans should not even be in Starfleet since they are physically weaker, including the males. Try again.
NO ONE IS STRONGER THAN WHITE CONSERVATIVE MALES!!! JESUS POWER!!!
What makes it "Prime", beyond what the producers say? Because none of it lined up very well with what came before.
Yep, and to my mind, that's fantastic. The Meyer movies are some of the best star trek and they are very much nautical fiction in space.
More militaristic? Check. Changed the uniforms? Check. Very different take on the Klingons? Check.
Basically everything people are bashing this series for, applies to one of my two favorite Trek films, and everything but the Klingons applies to Wrath of Khan, usually accepted as the best Trek movie. Oh and that was a very dark revenge tale filled with torture and murder so...
Most definitely not a reboot, unless the TOS movies are also a reboot.
I still think the reason the new Klingons aren't going over so well with many is because even though they went through 2 changes before. First they went from human looking to bumpy forehead ridges with a unclear culture to a culture that is about being a warrior and having honor. To me that third were the look goes back to "TMP" and te society stuff was created for Worf is what people learned to accept as the definitive view on what makes a Klingon and it wasn't just popular but became iconic on the level of Vulcans having pointy ears and being about logic. The Klingons are one of maybe a handful of aliens that you would think would be off limits when it comes to drastic changes and would be limited to minor tinkering and updating with maybe more realistic ridges for example but they went instead for a full revamp were not only have their looks been changes but also their personalties. I don't see trekkies dressing up as these guys and having fun pretending to be a klingon. They seemed to sap all the fun out of the culture.
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Yep. And honestly, TNG was the single biggest change in the history of Trek, in my experience, and I was a TOS die-hard in college when TNG premiered. TRUST ME, a lot of my fellow trek nerds were like "WTF is this".
Then as now, I was too happy about there being new trek to GAF.
Nothing. They say it is, it is, end of story. There's no argument, it doesn't mean one iota what anyone else thinks or wants to believe, they decide because it is their position to decide. Accept it or live in denial that are your only choices.
(God, that's starting to sound like some of that Klingon dialogue, brrr...)
So you just listen to the creators, you put no thought of your own into what you're watching/reading? Take nothing away from it that wasn't intended?
I don't feel it's a reboot. It's what happens when you make a series previous to the other series timelines. The show-runners are not going to make their latest Star Trek show look like old technology. They are not going to make technology and ships look like they did in TOS. I wouldn't want to see that. I just accept that even though DSC takes place before VOY, DS9, etc; it's going to look more visually stimulating because it's the latest thing.
Can I vote somewhere in between? It's not a reboot, but continuity is a tool not an anchor. It's set in the original timeline, but loosely fitting in there.
I voted no, but I will agree that visually, it is. It has to be. It is a series created in 2017, extrapolating a future based 239 years in the future, Basing the visual look on a series created in 1964 extrapolating a future from 300 years from their future. Cues from both eras are both very apparent, whether it be record tapes and dot matrix printouts in the show created in 1964 or holographic displays and transparent displays in the series created in 2017. Sure, going back to those things from 1964 would be so much fun for an episode or two (see "Relics," "Trials and Tribble-ations," "Flashback," "In a Mirror Darkly), I question whether a modern audience would actually accept a series based on that same imagery.
Content-wise, at this juncture, I can't say for certain, but since the producers suggest it is, until they actually do something that proves it to be untrue, I have to believe what they say. And before someone picks something minor that they've done, I give you the TMP Klingons, the TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT Romulans, Jadzia Dax's look, and many other little tiny things along the way that could be considered TEH CANON! violations, but are instead just considered continuity errors we can live with. Just saying.
People said the exact same thing when ENT was launched. They were wrong then. I imagine this kind of thinking is wrong now.
Content-wise, at this juncture, I can't say for certain, but since the producers suggest it is, until they actually do something that proves it to be untrue, I have to believe what they say. And before someone picks something minor that they've done, I give you the TMP Klingons, the TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT Romulans, Jadzia Dax's look, and many other little tiny things along the way that could be considered TEH CANON! violations, but are instead just considered continuity errors we can live with. Just saying.
People said the exact same thing when ENT was launched. They were wrong then. I imagine this kind of thinking is wrong now.