Attended the premiere - no spoilers

[Jackson_Roykirk]

I don't think they would be competing at all. A drama and a comedy are not in competition with each other

As I mentioned, I can enjoy a comedy just as equally as I can enjoy a drama. To me the genre does not matter whatsoever what I am compiling a list of "My favorite TV shows" or "Films I have enjoyed the most".

So in that respect, given a choice among a list of options, a comedy could be the piece of entertainment I would most enjoy seeing (and/or care to see) just as likely as a drama is.

 

[Search4]

I find it so uncouth when people do stuff like that in the theater.
Why can't people be more classy and dignified at an event?

My question to the OP is (if you are able to answer without giving away anything)... what kind of content warranted the more restrictive TV-MA rating?

Kor

Really not clear as I don’t know the criteria. Starship porn probably doesn’t count. That was a joke btw. I would say nothing in the premier.

 

[Kor]

That's probaly one of the video bloggers who -- upon seeing the first trailer with the title cards that read "Before Kirk, Spock, and the Enterprise" -- exclaimed (and I'm paraphrasing, but not by much):

OMG -- The makers of Discovery don't even know that Spock was already on the Enterprise ten years before TOS!!! If they got that wrong, then there is no hope that they will get anything right!

The good thing about the internet is that it gives everybody a voice.

The bad thing about the internet is that it gives everybody a voice.

Kor

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

So was the much-maligned reviewers' embargo was just an embargo of plot spoilers, and not an embargo of a critic's overall reaction to the show?

 

[Krandor]

So was the much-maligned reviewers' embargo was just an embargo of plot spoilers, and not an embargo of a critic's overall reaction to the show?

Evidently. As usual people ovrerreacted

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Is that the guy who looks like a 70-year-old trucker who's usually outside and I think calls himself Captain April?

The one I saw was a much younger guy in his room, wearing headphones I think, and that was the main complaint he had. It was annoying! Definitely not the Captain April trainwreck.

 

[Dar70]

LOL nobody watches the Star Wars movies in order. It's 4-5-6-, 1-2-3.

(I'm aware of silly alternate orders, that's not the point)

But one day when we are all dead they will....

 

[KirkusOveractus]

So was the much-maligned reviewers' embargo was just an embargo of plot spoilers, and not an embargo of a critic's overall reaction to the show?

That's all it was. However, I'd like to see more than what I'm reading online, which just says, "Cinematic and epic." Not just one person said that, and they used those same words.

 

[Ensign Ogahd Ahmganadai]

So was the much-maligned reviewers' embargo was just an embargo of plot spoilers, and not an embargo of a critic's overall reaction to the show?

Certainly sounds that way.

I just read a Facebook "negative" reaction to the premiere. She said there were good parts and bad parts but ultimately she doesn't think it's "better" than any previous series, just average. She still encouraged everyone to watch it.

EDIT: Correction. She was talking about The Orville. She didn't attend the premiere. The thread she was in mentioned both, with some comparing their reaction to the Orville with the reactions to Discovery.

 

[Noname Given]

Sophie74656 said
What does one have to do with the other?

That's like saying First Contact was better than Galaxy Quest.

They’re essentially competing for viewers. So it matters for viewership and economics. And critical press. IMHO Discovery is far better.

How are they competing for viewers? ST: D is on a streaming service while The Orville is on network TV.

I'll never get the logic of "There can only be one space based science fiction program that people can like/watch at a time..."
^^^
Which I feel is what you post appears to imply. These are to very different shows; and one will require and extra subscription be it CBSAA or Netflix (well not in Canada, but the two shows are airing on different nights plus, everyone has a DVR these days; so yeah, I don't see the 'competition here.

 

[BillJ]

I think people should sample the premiere on CBS, and go from there.

 

[Campe]

I think people should sample the premiere on CBS, and go from there.

I think that’s absolutely what needs to happen. Sadly, we’ve got a very split down the middle commentary: the “OMG! It’s the best thing EVAH!!!!!1!!!!” crowd and the “I hate this before I’ve seen a whole episode NON-CANNON!!!” group.

From what little I can glean from the reviews, it’s good, it’s canon AND it’s all about bringing people together. Sounds like good Trek to me that’s worth at least an hour of people’s time.

 

[Noname Given]

Just because the TOS Enterprise gang didn't know what a tribble was doesn't mean that nobody in the Federation knew what a tribble was.

It's clear many in the Galaxy knew because the exchange at the bar where they first appear:
http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/42.htm

JONES: You're a difficult man to reach, but I have something from the far reaches of the galaxy. Surely you want
(from yet another pocket, the trader pulls a what looks like a ball of fluff.)
BARMAN: Not at your price.
UHURA: What is it? Is it alive? May I hold it?
(Jones puts it in her hand and it starts purring)
UHURA: Oh, it's adorable. What is it?
JONES: What is it? Why, lovely lady, it's a tribble.

So yes, the Bar man CLEARLY knows what Jones is talking about before/as Jones pulls it out.

 

[BillJ]

"Not at your price", could be applied to anything coming out of Jones' pocket as the bartender seems to have dealt with him before.

For me, and I can only speak for me alone, it is something that just wasn't needed. We get it, you're "Star Trek", there comes a point where there's an overload of references to TOS.

 

[uniderth]

It's clear many in the Galaxy knew because the exchange at the bar where they first appear:
http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/42.htm

So yes, the Bar man CLEARLY knows what Jones is talking about before/as Jones pulls it out.

Yes. Clearly.

But this:
UHURA: What is it? Is it alive? May I hold it?
(Jones puts it in her hand and it starts purring)
UHURA: Oh, it's adorable. What is it?
JONES: What is it? Why, lovely lady, it's a tribble.
UHURA: A tribble?
JONES: Only the sweetest creature known to man, excepting, of course, your lovely self.

Is meant to introduce not only the Enterprise crew, but we the audience, to what they are. If we've already seen them, then what's the point of the introduction? Just have Uhura walk up and say; "Oh, I see you have some tribbles there. I've always thought they were so cute. Are they for sale?"

 

[CorporalCaptain]

It's clear many in the Galaxy knew because the exchange at the bar where they first appear:
http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/42.htm

So yes, the Bar man CLEARLY knows what Jones is talking about before/as Jones pulls it out.

Uh, no, it's not clear at all. All that's clear is that the barman doesn't think it's worth whatever he thinks Jones will ask, a conclusion he could come to just knowing Jones.

 

[uniderth]

Uh, no, it's not clear at all. All that's clear is that the barman doesn't think it's worth whatever he thinks Jones will ask, a conclusion he could come to just knowing Jones.

That's actually a good point. And Spock seems to think that it was Jones himself that removed the tribbles from their home planet:

SPOCK: Surely you must have realised what would happen if you removed the tribbles from their predator-filled environment into an environment where their natural multiplicative proclivities would have no restraining factors.

Not to mention you can't just have ONE tribble. If you have one tribble then you have thousands. It was McCoy that figured out their biology and how to stop them from reproducing. If they were widely known you'd think some interested party or poor ships captain would have cut one open to see what's inside and posted the video on FedNet long before McCoy.

 

[BillJ]

It isn't even about canon or continuity for me, its about the show standing on its own. I could see a reference or two sprinkled throughout the first fifteen episodes. But there is so much of it that we already know, and I'm sure there's much that we don't know.

 

[Ensign Ogahd Ahmganadai]

My reaction to the whole tribble thing:

 

[starmike]

Agreed. So much nitpicking and nobody here except the OP has even seen it yet.