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Thoughts on the USS Shenzhou (Trailer Edition)

....FWIW, there's definitely an up and a down in orbit.
Timo Saloniemi

That's what i think it makes sense to have the bridge at the bottom. You'd probably want to travel "belly down" to the planet, so that you would be traveling forward with the ground/planet beneath you - as far as you were concerned looking out the view screen rather than always turning left or right they way they currently orbit. Ultimately it's hardly important. But these forums are here for such nitpicking!
 
It's rather remarkable that the planet was always down on Kirk's viewscreen, even if never down in terms of his ship's actual orientation (the atmospheric dip in "Tomorrow is Yesterday" notwithstanding, of course). There may be a psychological need to see the ground beneath your feet, even when tactical and scientific needs dictate a sideways orientation for the ship.

OTOH, should Starfleet really encourage looking out of the window during working hours?

Timo Saloniemi
 
....FWIW, there's definitely an up and a down in orbit. Tidal forces dictate the shape and orientation of ISS and other objects not trivially small that want to spend long periods of time doing orbital work. And of course there's a big difference between the side that has the planet and the side that does not.

Plus, objects in orbit are in a perpetual 1G free fall towards Earth. They just keep "missing."
 
Star Trek should have nuances to that, too. Tidal forces would be trivial for a starship that has propulsive power to burn - no need to spare the gyro wheels or the RCS fuel. And nobody inside would feel the forces, not even the all-important Perfect Balance Laboratory, because artificial gravity.

On the other hand, starships probably would not want to be in freefall. After all, they don't have to - they can supposedly maintain 1G acceleration for years at an end if need be. And most of the time, they don't approach a planet in order to study the planet - they approach it to study or otherwise exploit a specific point on it. They'd very much want to orbit only above that point, then, rather than inconveniently going behind the planet every now and then. Say, transporters are line-of-sight devices, incapable of penetrating more than a couple of kilometers of normal bedrock, so going below the horizon would be a baaaad idea.

An orbit for a starship would be what an orbit is for an aircraft today, then: a figure eight above the point of interest. Which is what the maneuvers of starships typically look like, too, with incredibly tight oncamera turns where even the tightest freefall orbit should show no turning whatsoever. Who knows, perhaps the sideways posture of ships in orbit is due to them constantly banking into the curve, for whatever the reason of starships always banking into the curve.

I trust we'll see the DIS ships doing banking a lot, too, although orbital shots of late have been more varied in orientation and less likely to show tight turns. Are we going to see the windows used for something specifically window-functional, or merely as wide-angle viewscreens? I doubt planets and orbits will feature into that much. But spacewalks and uncomfortably proximal Klingon space sarcophagi just might.

Timo Saloniemi
 
I just like how something rather trivial – like the placing of the bridge on the underside of the saucer – can make for a fresh design approach and a cool looking visual. It's one of the things convincing me that these people are perfect for reimagining Trek for a new decade and hopefully a new audience as well.
 
I just like how something rather trivial – like the placing of the bridge on the underside of the saucer – can make for a fresh design approach and a cool looking visual. It's one of the things convincing me that these people are perfect for reimagining Trek for a new decade and hopefully a new audience as well.


Sounds great! :techman: Until there's an urgent saucer separation and you try a saucer landing… with your bridge on the underside of the saucer… :censored:
 
Just land upside down? If the artificial gravity / inertia damping isn't working, you'll be dead anyway from the impact.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Just like that other saucer in that more recent movie, the E-D one was flying through mountaintops, and nobody was being turned into windshield smear. I doubt up or down would make any difference - as said, artificial gravity / inertia control would appear to be working just fine, save for a bit of camera shaking.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Either that (although it doesn't sound like a very efficient design), or (Occam's razor) the USS Shenzhou doesn't have a saucer separation capability. Perhaps it can land à la USS Voyager ?
 
"Discard nacelles" was a TOS command, rather intuitive considering how flimsy those pylons look like. I think doing so before landing would be a good idea for all sorts of reasons, one of them being that a love tap on a nacelle was a leading cause of loss in TNG...

Timo Saloniemi
 
All this talk of the bridge and I'm just wondering.... what is that chunk behind it between the nacelles! :p
 
The thing that actually looks like a bridge (albeit a medieval one, with houses on it)? Probably just quarters for the less privileged, with engine noises around the clock and a view to the butts of the bridge crew. Although the latter might be counted as a privilege, too, considering.

Timo Saloniemi
 
so does the shenzhou have red-glowing warp field grilles by design? or is she severely damaged (as we know she will be)?
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the only time we've ever seen a federation ship with red glowing nacelles was when the enterprise-d was destroyed in "cause and effect", so i'm guessing it's that, but every shot i've seen of her with the grilles visible, they've been red.
 
the only time we've ever seen a federation ship with red glowing nacelles was when the enterprise-d was destroyed in "cause and effect", so i'm guessing it's that, but every shot i've seen of her with the grilles visible, they've been red.

Why should they be related in any way? That's a real stretch.
 
Why should they be related in any way? That's a real stretch.
...because (as stated) as far as i know, we've never seen a federation starship wth red-glowing nacelles. i'm not saying this is a reference to "cause and effect", just wondering if shenzhou's engines are red because she's in trouble, which we know she is at some point in the pilot.

it's also possible these are all unfinished VFX and this will change, but it's a curiosity.

if not, that is yet another aesthetic departure in the new series.
 
She has external red alert lights, maybe the nacelles change colour as a visual alert status indicator to other Federation ships when comms are down?
 
just wondering if shenzhou's engines are red because she's in trouble, which we know she is at some point in the pilot.
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if not, that is yet another aesthetic departure in the new series.

The nacelles are red in many other shots (e.g. when they first encounter the Klingons). The Shenzhou has red nacelles.
 
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