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Star Trek- The Motion Picture Appreciation Thread

I liked the TWOK effect in that first warp jump, but if you compare shots, it's basically just the reused TMP effect minus the extra colors and warp bubble snap.

Yeah it's very similar. I'm sure there's another element added though - the enterprise seems to power through the stars right at the end of the sequence, and they seemed to ditch the rainbow effects to facilitate it, with the different (I think better) sound effects it just looks that bit more powerful to me, though I love the original effect still.
 
It was the only one that tried to be grand.

Kor

And it succeeded!! It's the only real epic Star Trek movie. All the other ST movies are just bigger episodes of the series only with higher budgets.
 
And it succeeded!! It's the only real epic Star Trek movie. All the other ST movies are just bigger episodes of the series only with higher budgets.

I think the TNG movies were more guilty of that, especially Insurrection. I never really saw the TOS movies as episodes with bigger budgets because they were so far removed from the look and feel of TOS they managed to look like bigger movies in relation to their respective series, mainly because of the time that had passed. TMP, is still by far the most epic trek film though for me.
 
Trek II-VI were not so much higher budgeted episodes as theatrically released television movies (TWOK was in fact produced under Paramount's TV movie division.

While TWOK was produced by the Paramount TV division, none of the features were made as television movies. All were always intended as theatrical releases.
 
While TWOK was produced by the Paramount TV division, none of the features were made as television movies. All were always intended as theatrical releases.

Right, and I don't think that there were many television movies being made with a $10-30m budget back in the 1980s...and certainly weren't as nice looking as the Trek films, even the weaker ones.

The TNG films felt way more like TV movies / 2-part episodes because of their writing and the lack of significant difference in visual style and effects quality.
 
I know. But they lack the epic look and feel of TMP.

Admittedly, just about 95% of all movies released in the 1980's lack the epic look and feel of TMP. Given that, I don't think it's a fair judgement point.
 
Can we all agree that the warp drive effect in TMP was unmatched, even to this day? The streaking lights and kaleidoscope effect followed by the warp bubble "snap" was just awesome. I really was disappointed with the watered-down streak effect that came after (and seemed to get progressively worse each film).

It made going to warp speed an "event," which I thought was really interesting.
When we saw it in the theatre, and Enterprise did the first jump to warp, the audience gasped! I think everyone was waiting for the TOS version with the engines humming louder and louder, with the ship maybe moving a little faster (like it does after Spock balances the engines).

For me, the sound, the swirling of stars, the thundering snap at the end, I prefer it over any other warp effect done.

On another note, the money shot in the whole movie? For me, it's that shot after V'Ger turns to energy and the Enterprise is emerging. That shot from the front is perfectly, iconically Star Trek.
 
Spock's rediscovering himself, Kirk's reclaiming his command, Decker & Ilia rediscovering themselves, Ilia then becomes (involuntarily, grant you) reimagined, Bones being made to reclaim his purpose thanks to Kirk's having "drafted," and, of course, V'GER having to rediscover itself to allow him to further evolve. He's very misinformed about himself, despite being as booksmart as any conscious entity can ever hope to be. And yet, the soulless V'GER is the causative link that drives all of these characters to do all of this soul-searching. And to have the dispassionate Spock be the one who spells it out for the crew, for V'GER, for the audience, how important spirituality is to The Human Condition and what happens, when we lose that ... that's incredible! Especially, when you take into account Gene Roddenberry's supposed atheistic, or Humanistic views, which he was -- apparently -- espousing, in full, even then.

When NASA first sent its astronauts into Space, they were overwhelmed, almost, with this sense of The Spiritual. So much so, they'd crack open a Christian Bible and begin to read. Passage after Passage ... until some obnoxious looking feminazi wrote her congressman, or some shit, and put a quick halt to it. But to take umbrage at Religion, as something primitive, superstitious ... even delusional ... that's a complete and total falsehood -- on ALL counts! It's simply the approach to answering those questions Spock says V'GER's asking itself: 'Who was I meant to be? Why am I here?' You know, it's funny, how when people are desperate, they'll pray. Get comfortable and complacent, though, and they get very dismissive of faith. V'GER couldn't be in a more complacent position. It's unlocked every secret worth knowing in the Universe and it's all powerful. It's only when it finds the means to believe, through joining with a Human, that it knows anything, at all ... like what it's purpose is, or should become.

And then to have all of this weighty storyline and character stuff surrounded by the most beautiful and impressive special effects in the pre-digital age is just a very ambitious project to have taken on and it's so Gene Roddenberry! The Motion Picture has been mistreated with some really sloppy edits, like the one used for television, where we see the scaffolding in one shot and it's been labeled as boring and sterile and whatnot, by vocal fans over the years. But more than any of this, it also remains the most mined-from in terms of re-use of sets, of costumes and costume design -- even the new STAR TREK movies have aped Admiral Kirk's duatone outfit and other aspects of TMP. It's not the STAR TREK movie I would've made as the franchise's first crack at the medium of Motion Pictures. I won't lie to you, about that. But I love what was done with it, very much.
 
Spock's rediscovering himself, Kirk's reclaiming his command, Decker & Ilia rediscovering themselves, Ilia then becomes (involuntarily, grant you) reimagined, Bones being made to reclaim his purpose thanks to Kirk's having "drafted," and, of course, V'GER having to rediscover itself to allow him to further evolve. He's very misinformed about himself, despite being as booksmart as any conscious entity can ever hope to be. And yet, the soulless V'GER is the causative link that drives all of these characters to do all of this soul-searching. And to have the dispassionate Spock be the one who spells it out for the crew, for V'GER, for the audience, how important spirituality is to The Human Condition and what happens, when we lose that ... that's incredible! Especially, when you take into account Gene Roddenberry's supposed atheistic, or Humanistic views, which he was -- apparently -- espousing, in full, even then.

When NASA first sent its astronauts into Space, they were overwhelmed, almost, with this sense of The Spiritual. So much so, they'd crack open a Christian Bible and begin to read. Passage after Passage ... until some obnoxious looking feminazi wrote her congressman, or some shit, and put a quick halt to it. But to take umbrage at Religion, as something primitive, superstitious ... even delusional ... that's a complete and total falsehood -- on ALL counts! It's simply the approach to answering those questions Spock says V'GER's asking itself: 'Who was I meant to be? Why am I here?' You know, it's funny, how when people are desperate, they'll pray. Get comfortable and complacent, though, and they get very dismissive of faith. V'GER couldn't be in a more complacent position. It's unlocked every secret worth knowing in the Universe and it's all powerful. It's only when it finds the means to believe, through joining with a Human, that it knows anything, at all ... like what it's purpose is, or should become.

And then to have all of this weighty storyline and character stuff surrounded by the most beautiful and impressive special effects in the pre-digital age is just a very ambitious project to have taken on and it's so Gene Roddenberry! The Motion Picture has been mistreated with some really sloppy edits, like the one used for television, where we see the scaffolding in one shot and it's been labeled as boring and sterile and whatnot, by vocal fans over the years. But more than any of this, it also remains the most mined-from in terms of re-use of sets, of costumes and costume design -- even the new STAR TREK movies have aped Admiral Kirk's duatone outfit and other aspects of TMP. It's not the STAR TREK movie I would've made as the franchise's first crack at the medium of Motion Pictures. I won't lie to you, about that. But I love what was done with it, very much.

Great post. It's better than any of the TNG movies, no question for me, and most of the TOS movies too. Like it or not, you can't deny it was a hugely ambitious film, which is a quality practically every trek film since then, right up to the reboots has lacked. I think it's a glorious, gorgeous piece of film making.
 
... until some obnoxious looking feminazi wrote her congressman, or some shit, and put a quick halt to it.
Feminazi? 1992 AM radio wants its perjoratives back...

The "some shit" you're referring to is Madalyn Murray O'Hair's complaint about Apollo 8. O'Hair was best known for her suit Murray v. Curlett, which was consolidated with Abington School District v. Schempp on appeal to the Supreme Court, resulting in an 8–1 decision declaring school-sponsored Bible reading in public schools in the United States to be unconstitutional. She's the reason kids of different faiths (and atheists) aren't subjected to verses of religions texts in public schools.

Back to the specific cited example, her NASA suit didn't go anywhere, except that NASA asked Buzz Aldrin to refrain from quoting the Bible on Apollo 11. He was, however, allowed to conduct the first Communion service in space.
 
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