Middle-Easterners in "Discovery"

[Noname Given]

Yes, Kirk and McCoy ate munched on brightly colored nutrient cubes and magenta lettuce so that the 20th century American audience could relate to them. :thumbup:

Kor

IDK - the food synthesizers could do 'regular food too:

In TOS - "Tomorrow Is Yesterday" Lt. Kyle calls up chiken sould for the 20th century U.S. Airforce guard.

In TOS - "The Trouble With Tribbles" in the crew lounge when Kirk sees Tribbles on his tray, he says:
KIRK: "This is my chicken sandwich and coffee..."

So, they ate 'regular' food when they wanted to (in the script.)

 

[Tallguy]

Roddenberry wrote his intro to TMP to indicate that "mainstream" Earth was absolutely nothing like Kirk and McCoy which is why there were explorers. Which was actually a very interesting idea.

 

[Fateor]

As someone who has travelled fairly widely within the mass media connected 'first' world, that simply isn't the case. Cultural differences and customs have survived into the digital age quite successfully. Small town America, the British West Country, Brittany, Hawkes Bay, Venice, Tel Aviv, Amsterdam, will all have significantly different customs, cultural norms, languages, dialects, and religious and political demographics. While it is likely that ease of transport will mix these over time, it is equally likely that it will lead to multiculturalism, the co-existence of cultural identities in the same locations, rather than homogeneous monoculture. Britain was far more monocultural when my parents grew up than it is now. My mother considered spaghetti bolognese radically ethnic. I had homemade Thai curry for dinner with ingredients from a local Tesco.

You mean the digital age that is only about 20 years old?

Call me back in another 50 and we will see how much of the things you listed have survived.

 

[Mudd]

You mean the digital age that is only about 20 years old?

Call me back in another 50 and we will see how much of the things you listed have survived.

That's called "kicking the can down the road" because you can't support your assertion based on the facts currently at hand.

"Someday I'll be proven right!"

 

[CorporalClegg]

You mean the digital age that is only about 20 years old?

Wut?

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

IDK - the food synthesizers could do 'regular food too:

In TOS - "Tomorrow Is Yesterday" Lt. Kyle calls up chiken sould for the 20th century U.S. Airforce guard.

In TOS - "The Trouble With Tribbles" in the crew lounge when Kirk sees Tribbles on his tray, he says:
KIRK: "This is my chicken sandwich and coffee..."

So, they ate 'regular' food when they wanted to (in the script.)

Sure, but I wonder if the chickens were genetically modified/bred to not mind being slaughtered and eaten, something similar to the beef in the Restaurant at the End of the Universe...

The waiter approached.
Would you like to see the menu?" he said, "or would you like meet the Dish of the Day?"

"Huh?" said Ford.
"Huh?" said Arthur.
"Huh?" said Trillian.
"That's cool," said Zaphod, "we'll meet the meat."

​

 

[Fateor]

That's called "kicking the can down the road" because you can't support your assertion based on the facts currently at hand.

"Someday I'll be proven right!"

No, it's called "not being an idiot".

Stuff like this takes time, and you don't really start seeing the effects till the previous generations are older and dying off.

 

[Mudd]

No, it's called "not being an idiot".

No, what I said was accurate. What you just claimed is a rather defensive opinion.

You have not a clue what the future holds. That's a fact.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yes, Kirk and McCoy munched on brightly colored nutrient cubes and magenta lettuce so that the 20th century American audience could relate to them.

Kor

They also drink coffee and eat chicken sandwiches.

 

[Mudd]

They also drink coffee and eat chicken sandwiches.

Yep.

Denying the obvious doesn't make it untrue.

 

[Mudd]

Roddenberry wrote his intro to TMP to indicate that "mainstream" Earth was absolutely nothing like Kirk and McCoy which is why there were explorers. Which was actually a very interesting idea.

Roddenberry wrote very little of Star Trek.

 

[Jedi_Master]

Yes, Kirk and McCoy munched on brightly colored nutrient cubes and magenta lettuce so that the 20th century American audience could relate to them.

Kor

The 60's was a weird decade, man.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The 60's was a weird decade, man.

We had Tang and space sticks.

 

[Noname Given]

We had Tang and space sticks.

^^^^
And some of the BEST Saturday morning cartoon:
Herculoids
Space Ghost
Fantastic Four...

 

[Nerys Myk]

Jonny Quest.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

...Birdman and the Galaxy Trio,
Space Angel,
Mighty Mightor...

 

[Cake]

What exactly do you find silly?
People have been celebrating birthdays in one form or the other for thousands of years. Various statues of The Buddha have been made for thousands of years. The list goes on and on. Culture does change, but significant cultural touchstones don't change over a few centuries.

When my father was young his family didn't celebrate their birthdays. No one among their relatives did it or people in the neighbourhood. It was just not done. He even said once that he doesn't think that his father knew all the birthdays of his children. What they celebrated were people's name days. You had your saint's calendar and knew when it was time to congratulate someone. Nowadays he does celebrate his birthdays, although he still celebrates his name day, too. I think most old relatives do the same now. Most younger people though don't even know anymore, when their name day is and if they know, they generally don't celebrate it. So I thought the birthday celebrating example was actually a good way to show how fast cultures can change. Sometimes it just takes one generation.

Just look back only 100 years ago. I think in this relative short amount of time a lot of things have changed at least where I live and I don't just mean in regards to technology. For example when my mother was young one of her female colleagues at work was about to marry. Her older employers and colleagues, all female by the way, assumed that she would quit her job before and dedicate her life from then on to be a housewife and mother. When she said though that she wanted to continue to work for a few months more after marriage, she got shit from them and got fired. Married women weren't supposed to work. That was the culture back then and few women didn't follow it. Now this crap wouldn't fly anymore. Now a woman may decide to stop working, but most don't and they don't get discriminated for it.

Some cultural habits may have survived centuries or even more, but a lot were discarded over time and I feel that especially in more recent times this has happened more often.

 

[Nyotarules]

Or they immigrated to Cuba from the Middle-East because a certain world power bombed their home and killed the rest of their family.

This is Star Trek Earth the only thing that gets bombed on Earth are films...

 

[Nyotarules]

Having characters with mixed up, indistinct, meaningless cultures is the opposite of the way I would want the show to be.

500 years ago there was no 'American' culture. Now its a culture made from the various ethnic groups that comprise the USA. And in the Star Trek universe with the presence of offworlders the American culture will expand again. Or you still expect the culture to stay what it is in a fictional universe set 300 years from now?

 

[Tenacity]

You didn't give the same answer to @Tenacity 's post where she mocks Cuba's job market and school system... in the year 2200...

Not mocking (not deliberately), I thought more a statement that Cuba hopefully won't still be under a version of it's current governing system in the future and things will be better. Perhaps there will be areas of Earth which are prosperous today won't be centuries from now.

Or you still expect the culture to stay what it is in a fictional universe set 300 years from now?

By the example of Kirk (the American guy), and Picard (the French guy), yeah I do exspect that.