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CBS "Guidelines" Should Be Ignored - Proceed With Your Productions

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After thorough analysis of CBS's guidelines, our local legal group has concluded that they have no legal force or standing in law. They are merely meant to intimidate the fan production community as a whole, just to preemptively deter the few that may try to intentionally profit commercially from their productions.

The biggest problem CBS has is that any attempt to halt a fan production that is not made for commercial gain is an infringement on the fans' First Amendment right to free speech. In fact, the "15 minute/two part max" section alone is a blatant assault on free-speech rights. Actually, they are admitting you have the right to express yourself, but they will decide how much expressing you can do.

What they are saying there is: "OK, you have the right to talk, but you can only talk for 15 minutes at a time, two times on the same subject, and you can never discuss that subject again." That would be laughed out of court.

It's the job of CBS's legal department to protect their intellectual property from being exploited commercially. They are paid to seek out commercial infringements on that property and deal with them, accordingly. It looks, to us, as though they thought they could quash any and all fan productions with these guidelines, and the accompanying threat to take legal action if the guidelines were not followed.

So now, the CBS lawyers don't have to do all that work of analyzing each and every production to see if they are making a profit. They can relax and take an extra long lunch break now that the "guidelines" have been sent down from the mountain with Moses.

Sorry, CBS. Your lawyers should have to actually earn their paychecks.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone sued CBS for interfering with their right to free speech.

So, go ahead. Produce your fan films. Make them as long as you want, use whatever costumes and props that you want, enlist whatever talent you want. Just don't do it to make a commercial profit. Do it because this is how you want to express yourself, and do it because it is your RIGHT!
 
If you make a Star Trek Fan Film without permission, you are infringing upon CBS's copyright. A Fan film would need to meet specific criteria in order to meet "fair-use" criteria; either a clear parody (such as Galaxy Quest), a documentary or something fundamentally transformative.
Otherwise, the guidelines from CBS are just that - rules that one needs to follow in order not to have CBS take legal action against you. It's not just about commercialization, although that's one of the easier avenues for CBS to defend; it's about protecting their brand, their rights and licenses.

Any lawyer who advises you to fully ignore ALL the guidelines and proceed with a fan-film should take the time to review the guidelines and copyright law.
There are several groups who have decided that for one reason or another they could ignore parts of the guidelines. I doubt CBS will bother you if you make 2 20-minute episodes or a single 40 minute episode. Or if you raise $60K on KS instead of $50.
Or if you buy your costumes from an unlicensed source, as long as you're not too obvious about it.

The guidelines are not strictly enforced rules; they're guidelines to avoid being sued by CBS for violating their copyrights.
 
There is quite a difference between Civil Law and Intellectual Property Law. Yes, there is a First Amendment, but also someone has the right of ownership and anyone who infringes on that ownership without permission of the owner is violating Copyright Law.

It isn't free speech if you're using someone else's name without them knowing it, nor their consent to use it.

I'm sure CBS has a room full of attorneys who would love to discuss it with the next person who gets sued or slapped with an injunction, and all their defense is that someone on a Star Trek forum said that it's their First Amendment rights.
 
Chuckle. Thanks anonymous poster allegedly quoting a group of anonymous attorneys who are making a strawman argument!
I trust you completely! Now I'm off to make my fan-film the way I want to make it! I'm sure it will be just fine, I'll send a copy of the OP to CBS when they sue me.
Case dismissed!
 
but also someone has the right of ownership and anyone who infringes on that ownership without permission of the owner is violating Copyright Law

Who is claiming "ownership"? Merely making a fan film is not claiming ownership.

In just about every fan production I've seen, proper credit of ownership to the rightful owners is acknowledged.

It's all about money. Are you making money off of it? Is your intention to produce a product to then make a profit from it? If no, they have no standing.
 
You are delusional. The 1st amendment applies to governments not companies. CBS/Paramount own star trek. They have total control over how it is used. You cannot make a fan film without infringing on that copyright.

The guidelines are not so much of a "you can't do this" but "here is what we are going to allow you to do"
 
Yeah thanks, but we'll follow our own counsel on this.

The guidelines aren't supposed to be legally binding, no one has ever claimed any such thing. The studio is setting out a safe space for people to make fanfilms in. Step outside them if you wish, no one is telling you you can't, not even CBS. What they have said is they won't object if you stay within them.

And no, you have no right to make fanfilms. They're all infringement whether they make money or not,
 
After thorough analysis of CBS's guidelines, our local legal group has concluded that they have no legal force or standing in law. They are merely meant to intimidate the fan production community as a whole, just to preemptively deter the few that may try to intentionally profit commercially from their productions.

The biggest problem CBS has is that any attempt to halt a fan production that is not made for commercial gain is an infringement on the fans' First Amendment right to free speech. In fact, the "15 minute/two part max" section alone is a blatant assault on free-speech rights. Actually, they are admitting you have the right to express yourself, but they will decide how much expressing you can do.

What they are saying there is: "OK, you have the right to talk, but you can only talk for 15 minutes at a time, two times on the same subject, and you can never discuss that subject again." That would be laughed out of court.

It's the job of CBS's legal department to protect their intellectual property from being exploited commercially. They are paid to seek out commercial infringements on that property and deal with them, accordingly. It looks, to us, as though they thought they could quash any and all fan productions with these guidelines, and the accompanying threat to take legal action if the guidelines were not followed.

So now, the CBS lawyers don't have to do all that work of analyzing each and every production to see if they are making a profit. They can relax and take an extra long lunch break now that the "guidelines" have been sent down from the mountain with Moses.

Sorry, CBS. Your lawyers should have to actually earn their paychecks.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone sued CBS for interfering with their right to free speech.

So, go ahead. Produce your fan films. Make them as long as you want, use whatever costumes and props that you want, enlist whatever talent you want. Just don't do it to make a commercial profit. Do it because this is how you want to express yourself, and do it because it is your RIGHT!

This thread proves you DEAD wrong:
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/cbs-paramount-sues-to-stop-axanar.278077/

The situation of that thread is WHY these Guidelines emerged. Also, remember even the idiots of Axanar realized they were going to lose the case BIG if it went to trial and that's why Alec Peters TOOK the settlement offer that one year earlier he said he'd never take or settle with CBS/Paramount on.

But hey, this is probably a troll thread anyway because no one would be stupid enough to believe that copyright infringement is legal.
 
This is hilarious! For someone calling themselves "Spock Guy" your logic is pretty weak.

First off, as others have said, the guidelines are not law nor are they legally binding (except for Mr Peters). They are a path for not getting sued by the studios for your fan production. They have said they'll look at every one on a case by case basis and you may not get sued for violating them.

Now onto copyright law. You seem overly focused on "profit". There are four pillars of fair use. From Stanford University:

"The four factors judges consider are:

  • the purpose and character of your use
  • the nature of the copyrighted work
  • the amount and substantiality of the portion taken, and
  • the effect of the use upon the potential market."
Profit would fall under only the fourth pillar, but it's not just talking about money. There is brand confusion and brand dilution to consider as well as protecting license holders.

From your lack of understanding of this and your so called advice from these anonymous lawyers I suggest you don't go to Lionel Hutz for legal advice any more.
 
This thread proves you DEAD wrong:
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/cbs-paramount-sues-to-stop-axanar.278077/

The situation of that thread is WHY these Guidelines emerged. Also, remember even the idiots of Axanar realized they were going to lose the case BIG if it went to trial and that's why Alec Peters TOOK the settlement offer that one year earlier he said he'd never take or settle with CBS/Paramount on.

But hey, this is probably a troll thread anyway because no one would be stupid enough to believe that copyright infringement is legal.
The timing of the settlement would indicate that he was more worried about the Axanar financials becoming public than about losing the case... but yeah, he would have lost big.
 
This thread amuses me.

I offer pie to all spectators.
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The biggest problem CBS has is that any attempt to halt a fan production that is not made for commercial gain is an infringement on the fans' First Amendment right to free speech.
Have your friends read the First Amendment? If so, have they passed the Bar Exam??
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Congress shall make no law. The government can't stop you from speaking. CBS owns the copyrights and therefore CAN tell you whether or not you may use their IP.

Now, before someone tries to claim that Congress wrote the copyright laws which allows CBS to do this is by extension the government supporting First Amendment rights suppression, please check out Article I Section 8. Clause 8 of the US Constitution:
The Congress shall have power to promote the progress of Science and the useful Arts by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.
Copyright laws (and patents and trademarks) are built into the Constitution.
 
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