Has anyone seen this version?
The New USS Discovery....
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The new engines are a clear improvement and the saucer looks better, though somehow they managed to make the bottom of the secondary hull even uglier. Considering the starting point, that's no mean feat!Dave Combe's "A Difference a Year Makes" image:
Are those how the nacelles will look on Discovery now, on the left? If so, I'm definitely seeing the resemblance with a Constitution-class nacelle!Dave Combe's "A Difference a Year Makes" image:
I keep thinking its a Vulcan design for some reason.
we need pictures of The new Discovery next to the Shen Zhu
This reminds me. The original Enterprise is suppose to be the most famous or celebrated ship of this era right? No where does it say it's the flagship or even the most advance?
I know this was explicitly said about the Enterprise D. I think during the films they said the USS Excelsior was the most advanced ship at the time as well and the Enterprise - A had recently been launched before it. I've been confused for a while why so many were going kinda crazy that the Discovery was looking more advanced when it could possibly be more advanced. Maybe it starts at a place where the Enterprise itself doesn't get to until it gets its Refit in TMP? Maybe the Discovery is a prototype for some of those updates? Refitting an entire ship from top to bottom isn't something that would be done often and it would take time. Assuming the fleet is very big at this point a lot of ships have to wait in line and as long as the ship is running well there is no rush.
I think people forget that the Enterprise is an older ship even by the time Kirk gets it. So in TOS its a 20+ year old ship and very likely the basic design of it hasn't changed that much. As suggested ships built 5 to 10 years after it was initially built could look really different. Close to the films which I think the Discovery's interior, the little we've seen, does.
This is all of course if you're trying to justify the visual differences and not just looking at it as a visual change and calling it a day.
Me too. The color palette of the hull matches what was seen on the Vulcan Shuttle in TMP and looking at the dorsal elevation of Discovery while removing the nacelles gives you something that roughly resembles a stylized IDIC symbol. There is more on this ship to indicate that it's of Vulcan origin than not.
Here's my line of thought—as it pertains to the exterior—the Connie is "round". Ships after the Connie are "round". This one is "blocky". If "blocky" was more advantageous, "round" starships would have been phased out.
But Trek doesn't have to adhere to that line of thought.
But Trek doesn't have to adhere to that line of thought.
If the actual ship has the gap in the saucer is there any design advantage for that, or it it just aesthetics?
Shenzhou
This is the actual design, no 'if' about it.
Wonder if we'll get to see the old model as another ship in the background? Then eaglemoss can give it to us.Dave Combe's "A Difference a Year Makes" image:
If the Discovery ever needs to make a water landing, she's got the pontoons for it now.
I like the gap around the saucer. It's something different as is the rest of the design. Screw convention.
Basically what comes after Sternbach's angular, flat-saucered Baton Rouge and before the curvy Constitution, then. Heh, perhaps the canyon between the center and the rim of the saucer evolves into that fancy undercut on the Constitution?
The registry number already would suggest an older ship than Kirk's - but not older than Decker's, so your lightyearage may vary.
Captain Lorca says something about "learning a new way to fly", perhaps suggesting his ship is the hottest news (and even possibly tying to Joe Tyler's exclamation in "The Cage" about something in starflight having changed since the crash of the Columbia, or possibly very recently even, considering how excited the boy is).
But an older ship could have received the new superdrive, perhaps for testing purposes. A rationalization for the "excessively" big nacelles, as compared with the rest of the design, according to some aesthetic criteria that seem well-represented at TrekBBS?
Nothing about Kirk's hardware was ever said to be new, save for the M-5 computer (and we all learned there how Kirk feels about new technology).
Then again, his ship wasn't even said to be famous or celebrated until well into his movie adventures, all of which involved a completely different design of ship. Back in TOS, his ship was at most famous for being one of the dozen of her kind - nothing was said about being the biggest, the fastest, the strongest or the noisiest.
The E-D was the only Enterprise ever addressed as a "flagship" of anything. More accurately, she was the Flagship of the Federation. In addition, she was flagship in one naval sense at least once, slated to lead a fleet in "Chain of Command" - but never a flagship in the more accurate naval sense, of being the ship where an Admiral unfurls his or her flag of command.
Indeed, no Enterprise other than Kirk's refitted ship ever did any of that stuff - Admiral Kirk was in temporary command of the E-nil-refit in ST2, and that's pretty much it for the entirety of Star Trek the phenomenon.
Oh, Admiral Pressman once tried to wrangle command away from Picard, and Commodore Mendez seems to have broken his flag aboard Kirk's TOS ship rather literally in "The Menagerie" (it's the Cuban national flag in reality, apparently, but since it's not wholly unfurled, we can interpret it in other ways). but the Enterprise being a Flagship only ever happens with Picard's first Enterprise.
Not really. She was experimental, but three dozen vessels at the time might have been. And each of them could have been the most advanced ship at the time, in separate ways. There's no statutory limit on that.
But that lemon wasn't modern or advanced - she was merely new.
"Advanced" is a word never associated with an Enterprise other than Picard's second one, the E-E.
(And, of course, with Archer's ship, but that's from a foreign organization. And with all sorts of ancient tubs like the STS orbiter or the first nuclear carrier, but that's not particularly interesting.)
Or then the basic design has changed immensely since the launch, just as it did between TOS and the TOS movies - and Starfleet always changes every basic design radically after a dozen years of service in the 23rd century, until finally learning to build more lasting designs in the 24th?
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