"Avatar" Sequels Delayed...does anybody care?
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Strictly speaking, we don't need any more movies. But I welcome these four very much.
Everyone should remember that Cameron made the best sequels of all time with Aliens and T2.
People should not assume the Avatar sequels will succumb to the same sense of diminishing returns as most franchises.
I'm not saying they'll be great, but that Cameron being underestimated and mocked as people wait for his films has becomes so predictable that I can't see myself jumping on that bandwagon, no matter how much conventional wisdom would support it.
Those were good, but let's not overstate things. Two of the best sequels.
So he's telegraphing that the Main Villain will never have any serious moments where his demise could happen in A2,A3 or A4. Whatever situation he's in, he escapes. This sounds like 80s Hollywood, you have one script, change locations, maybe add one unique element and blammo, you have your "new" movie.
Not even Spider-man fights Green Goblin that many times in a row.
I'm just not interested in these--at.all.
I found it hard to believe that the only source of anti gravity minerals (help Earth how exactly?) was under the tree, and that they had to fell (and then the bigger job of clearing it away) the tree to get at it. The message got in the way of the story.
I heard somewhere that this movie was inspired by Frank Herbert's "Pandora" series, which was more interesting.
I heard somewhere that this movie was inspired by Frank Herbert's "Pandora" series, which was more interesting.
It wasn't the only source, it was just a *really* big deposit, all concentrated in one place. Easier and more profitable to mine than anywhere else they'd found elsewhere on the moon.
The secret is I knew it wasn't the only source of unobtainium, or whatever they said it was. If Cameron had decided to tell a story instead of preach, his antagonists would more likely found it preferable to mine the stuff elsewhere without having to go to war to do it. It's always easier to mine when natives aren't trying to kill you—rightfully so. I mean, who's got the high tech here and can travel 4 light-years? What's setting up shop away from natives?
Would have been a better movie if it envolved real estate developers with their hearts set on building resorts for human vacationers.
Would have been a better movie if it envolved real estate developers with their hearts set on building resorts for human vacationers.
Uh, ... that would be a really short story. And not a very exciting one.
Cameron wanted a trilogy, he has since then allowed the studios to turn it into a 5 movie story against his idea and spread it out, returning the main dead villain to life etc
Something tells me he either has little or no control over his creation anymore and this will be 90% their decision, or he doesn't care after netting a massive paycheck and...well same outcome.
But then since this won't hit the cinema until the 2020's, either no one will remember the original or won't care.
Something tells me he either has little or no control over his creation anymore and this will be 90% their decision, or he doesn't care after netting a massive paycheck and...well same outcome.
But then since this won't hit the cinema until the 2020's, either no one will remember the original or won't care.
Let me get this straight:
Cameron spent more than fifteen years developing and making a movie set in a world that he has designed in detail, with an alien race he has a language created for, not making any other movie for more than a decade, spending all his focus on this, and it's turning into the biggest original movie ever.
Early on, he starts talking about sequels, because seriously, he just created a very detailed fictional world that met an overwhelming response from audiences around the world, so why not do more with this world. But he's not rushing the first sequel out in two or three years, but instead takes the time to write the scripts for several sequels simultaneously, so that they actually build on each other, and this takes more than half a decade, just to write the scripts (and, presumably, have some design work done).
At some point, it's decided that another sequel should be added to the list. But they're still all done simultaneously, and without rushing them out. He even pushes the release dates back several times, because the work isn't quite there yet, and at this point, the first sequel won't hit theatres until 2020.
And you think that guy is a studio puppet.
Cameron spent more than fifteen years developing and making a movie set in a world that he has designed in detail, with an alien race he has a language created for, not making any other movie for more than a decade, spending all his focus on this, and it's turning into the biggest original movie ever.
Early on, he starts talking about sequels, because seriously, he just created a very detailed fictional world that met an overwhelming response from audiences around the world, so why not do more with this world. But he's not rushing the first sequel out in two or three years, but instead takes the time to write the scripts for several sequels simultaneously, so that they actually build on each other, and this takes more than half a decade, just to write the scripts (and, presumably, have some design work done).
At some point, it's decided that another sequel should be added to the list. But they're still all done simultaneously, and without rushing them out. He even pushes the release dates back several times, because the work isn't quite there yet, and at this point, the first sequel won't hit theatres until 2020.
And you think that guy is a studio puppet.
Avatar, Titanic, Terminator 2, Aliens, Terminator. Avatar is the highest grossing movies of all time, Titanic WAS the highest grossing movie of all time for 12 years, before being pushed to number two by Avatar. He is also a notorious control freak. The studios don't tell Cameron what to do or how to do it.
Way more but any adaptations would likely invite the ire of the religious right.
Ship is GOD!
Haha.
I don't mind the message of the human alien invader, but at least make the story consistent within itself. Humans want the antigravity macguffinite. Good, okay. But it is literally floating in the sky in rockbergs. Getting it should be as easy as fishing with a net in a swimming pool. And if the nearest deposit of macguffinite is under The Big Sacred Tree, why is that not a rockberg? If macguffunite has nothing to do with rockbergs, then WTF is going on? If the acquisition of macguffunite requires the slaughter of Blue Catpeople, then it should be scarce, and only under The Big Sacred Tree. No rockbergs, or only one rockberg that the tree is on. A small fix and it shapes up to be a better movie with unquestionable stakes.
Haha.
I don't mind the message of the human alien invader, but at least make the story consistent within itself. Humans want the antigravity macguffinite. Good, okay. But it is literally floating in the sky in rockbergs. Getting it should be as easy as fishing with a net in a swimming pool. And if the nearest deposit of macguffinite is under The Big Sacred Tree, why is that not a rockberg? If macguffunite has nothing to do with rockbergs, then WTF is going on? If the acquisition of macguffunite requires the slaughter of Blue Catpeople, then it should be scarce, and only under The Big Sacred Tree. No rockbergs, or only one rockberg that the tree is on. A small fix and it shapes up to be a better movie with unquestionable stakes.
If these films ever see the light of day, I suspect they will fall foul of the laws of diminishing returns.
Do we really expect Avatar 2 to take more money at the Box Office than Avatar?
Sure filming 4 films at once might save some money.
People have now become used to the cadence of sequels. It used to be that a film franchise had a shelf life of 3 (trilogy) if you're lucky after which it usually jumped the shark. Now we have not only franchises with more than 3 films but multiple franchises that move in parallel and cross-over. So the blockbuster landscape is more akin to television series and spinoffs these days. You can question whether Avatar has enough breadth to justify this sort of treatment, but it's not that radical an idea.
Certainly, but the issue is that Cameron wants to make three sequels right away instead of slowly building up through each one. Saying the paper-thin, one-dimensional villain from the first is going to be the primary villain for all three doesn't help either.
In other news, apparently James Cameron called Josh Brolin names after Brolin turned down a role for Avatar.
"If I don't want to do Avatar," he says, "I'm not going to do Avatar. James Cameron's fucking calling me this name and that name. Whatever. If James Cameron came to me and said, 'Hey, man, why'd you say that?' I'd go, 'Because it happened.' "