Voyager Novels

[Lynx]

That's really what it comes down to for you isn't it...nothing to change Kes being the star of Voyager.

I would still certainly enjoy the series without B'elanna I would certainly still enjoy the series. There are many other great characters that I love and would still want to read about. I'm a fan of VOYAGER not just one character

I've never written that I want to see Kes as the star of Voyager.
Only a main character as she was in seasons 1, 2 and 3.
And I do thinkt that you would lose a lot of your interest if B'Elanna was written out and the Tom-B'Elanna relationship dit break up as a result of that.
It's only natural to react that way.

 

[Sophie74656]

I've never written that I want to see Kes as the star of Voyager.
Only a main character as she was in seasons 1, 2 and 3.
And I do thinkt that you would lose a lot of your interest if B'Elanna was written out and the Tom-B'Elanna relationship dit break up as a result of that.
It's only natural to react that way.

Nope I wouldn't. It's not natural if you're a fan of the series as a whole and not just one character. For me there is still so much more to love even if my favorite character left. I understand that for you the show revolves around kes and you haven't even seen most of the episodes she's not in and don't have an internet in the show if she's not in it. Whatever floats your boat. But that's not how I am in regards to the show.

 

[Tracy Trek]

Would anybody be intereted in a "book club"? We can agree on which book we will read and on a certain date someone will start a thread about that book and we can discuss....then plan the next book and the date for the next thread and such

Perhaps, but I could only participate in the ones I've already read. Even getting the books through Kindle is kind of expensive for me right now. And I'm not that crazy about the re-launch series.

 

[Six of Twelve]

And who is to say that Kes would stay on Ocampa for the rest of her life, even if she went back for a visit.

 

[Lynx]

Nope I wouldn't. It's not natural if you're a fan of the series as a whole and not just one character. For me there is still so much more to love even if my favorite character left. I understand that for you the show revolves around kes and you haven't even seen most of the episodes she's not in and don't have an internet in the show if she's not in it. Whatever floats your boat. But that's not how I am in regards to the show.

Well, I must once again state that it has never been in my interest to have the series "revolving around Kes". I was perfectly happy with her role in seasons 1,2 and 3.
And I guess that you would continue to like the series, even if B'Elanna left.
But I do have a feeling that you would quick-read or skip the pages in the books which dealt with Tom's new romance with the lovely Ensign Petulia.

 

[Lynx]

And who is to say that Kes would stay on Ocampa for the rest of her life, even if she went back for a visit.

That, of course would be an entirely different thing.

 

[Sophie74656]

I've been re-reading The Nanotech War and I came across this little quote that I just love...if anyone is unfamiliar with the story, some things happen and Tom has lost some of his memories, he has also befriended an alien. While B'Elanna is trying to help him regain his memory they have a fight and she storms off. Tom talks to his alien buddy and wonders how he ever fell in love with her....

"How did I--my old self, I mean--fall in love with her? She's bossy and loud and stubborn."

The alien answers him...
"She is bossy, but you are impulsive. She is loud, but you do not listen. She is stubborn, but you move quickly from one thing to the next. Do not be so hard on her, Tom. She is hard on you because you need her to be."


The perfect quote about their relationship.

 

[Tracy Trek]

The alien answers him...
"She is bossy, but you are impulsive. She is loud, but you do not listen. She is stubborn, but you move quickly from one thing to the next. Do not be so hard on her, Tom. She is hard on you because you need her to be."

I love that passage. I have a question, I wondered what your opinion was on it. I'll put it in spoilers:

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That scene when they are eating in their quarters (grilled cheese and tomato soup) after he's back on board and then he left in a huff. Do you think she got nauseated because she was upset or was she already pregnant with Miral? How close was this novel's chronology before Lineage?

 

[Lynx]

I love that passage. I have a question, I wondered what your opinion was on it. I'll put it in spoilers:

Spoiler

That scene when they are eating in their quarters (grilled cheese and tomato soup) after he's back on board and then he left in a huff. Do you think she got nauseated because she was upset or was she already pregnant with Miral? How close was this novel's chronology before Lineage?

Accordig to the excellent book "Star Trek Voyagers Of Imagination" by Jeff Ayers, an encyclopedia about Star Trek novels, the events in "The Nanotech Wars" takes place between "Workforce, part 2 (Stardate 54622.4) and "Human Error" (Stardate unknown).

According to my Stardate Calcularor, Stardate 54622.4=Tuesday 16 Aug 2377 (Workforce#2) and Stardate 54704.5=Thursday 15 Sep 2377 (Q2). The episode "Human Error" had no stardate.

We can assume that the events in "The Nanotech Wars took place a week or two after the events in "Workforce#2.

Since Miral Paris was born Stardate 54973.4=Thursday 22 Dec 2377, B'Elanna was obviously pregnant during the events in "The Nanotech Wars".

 

[Sophie74656]

I love that passage. I have a question, I wondered what your opinion was on it. I'll put it in spoilers:

Spoiler

That scene when they are eating in their quarters (grilled cheese and tomato soup) after he's back on board and then he left in a huff. Do you think she got nauseated because she was upset or was she already pregnant with Miral? How close was this novel's chronology before Lineage?

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There's one little line that leads me to believe that she could have been having an early pregnant symptom. When Tom asks how long they've been married and then says that they're not really newlyweds anymore.

 

[Sophie74656]

Accordig to the excellent book "Star Trek Voyagers Of Imagination" by Jeff Ayers, an encyclopedia about Star Trek novels, the events in "The Nanotech Wars" takes place between "Workforce, part 2 (Stardate 54622.4) and "Human Error" (Stardate unknown).

According to my Stardate Calcularor, Stardate 54622.4=Tuesday 16 Aug 2377 (Workforce#2) and Stardate 54704.5=Thursday 15 Sep 2377 (Q2). The episode "Human Error" had no stardate.

We can assume that the events in "The Nanotech Wars took place a week or two after the events in "Workforce#2.

Since Miral Paris was born Stardate 54973.4=Thursday 22 Dec 2377, B'Elanna was obviously pregnant during the events in "The Nanotech Wars".

Why not put that in the spoiler tag?

Also

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in Workforce B'Elann is VERY pregnant, huge baby bump and everything so there's NO WAY this book took place after that

 

[Lynx]

Why not put that in the spoiler tag?

Also

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in Workforce B'Elann is VERY pregnant, huge baby bump and everything so there's NO WAY this book took place after that

I didn't do that because my reply didn't reveal anything about the content in the book, only a suggestion from Jeff Ayers where in the timeline the book was.

Spoiler

I haven't read the book so I have no grip about the details in the book and why Jeff Ayers placed it after "Workforce#2 in the timeline. Do you have a more accurate suggestion?

 

[Sophie74656]

I didn't do that because my reply didn't reveal anything about the content in the book, only a suggestion from Jeff Ayers where in the timeline the book was.

Spoiler

I haven't read the book so I have no grip about the details in the book and why Jeff Ayers placed it after "Workforce#2 in the timeline. Do you have a more accurate suggestion?

There's no real measure for Stardates, any calculator you would find online is not official. The writers themselves have said they didn't have any real system for stardates, they would just make them up.

The only accurate suggestion for when the book takes place is sometime between Drive and Lineage. A safe assumption would be closer to Lineage based on a comment Tom made about no longer being considered newlyweds.

Why not read the book...it's VERY good.

 

[Lynx]

There's no real measure for Stardates, any calculator you would find online is not official. The writers themselves have said they didn't have any real system for stardates, they would just make them up.

The only accurate suggestion for when the book takes place is sometime between Drive and Lineage. A safe assumption would be closer to Lineage based on a comment Tom made about no longer being considered newlyweds.

Why not read the book...it's VERY good.

I don't care if it's official or not. The calculator I use is from the 90's and is rather accurate when it comes to placing Stardates into one Earth year. For example 1 January 2371 12.00 will be Stardate 48001.36 and 31 December 2371 12.00 will be Stardate 48998.63.
The Stardate for "Caretaker" is 48315.6=Monday 26 April 2371.
I'm sure that the producers did take those Stardates into some consideration because they seem to fit perfectly into one year. The stardates for year 2371 starts with 48, the stardates for 2372 starts with 49 and so on.

As for Jeff Ayers's suggestions for where the novels fit into the timeline, most of it is pretty acurate and realistic, however there have been some questionable suggestions as well and it looks like his suggestion for "The Nanotech Wars".
In fact, Ayer's suggestion for the book "Chrysalis" between the episodes "Lifesigns" and "Investigations" was also wrong because there was a mentioning of a newborn baby in the book (Naomi Wildman) so the episode must take place after "Deadlock". I took the liberty to place the events between "Resolutions" and "Basics#1".

In "Voyages Of Imagination" the main events in the book "Mosaic" is placed between "Tattoo" and "Cold Fire". But the events in the book must take place after "Meld" because Tuvok's mind-meld with Suder is discussed by Kes and The Doctor in the first chapter of the book. The Trabe also appears in the book and Voyager had already had first contact with the Trabe in the episode "Alliances". So placing the events in the book between "Meld" and "Drednaught" would be more realistic.

But such errors makes the timeline-creation more exciting and interesting, don't you think?

I'm slowly starting looking at the Star Charts and Stardates for seasons 4-7 as well in order to continue with the timeline for seasons 1-3 which I've come up with so far.

As for reading "The Nanotech Wars", well maybe someday.

 

[WarpTenLizard]

I enjoy many of the novels set during the series. But for the "Relaunch" novels, I can only at best read them the way I'd read a fanfiction: "this is an interesting story, but not what I think *really* happened to the Voyager crew after they got home." Seven being cured of her Borg implants was just the last straw for me. That said, I am really enjoying Kristen Beyer's "Voyager" novels, and I love her character Afsarah Eden.

"Nanotech War" is my favorite "Voyager" book as well. The aliens were actually alien for once, and it made an effort to explain where C7 came from.

 

[Ghost]

Perhaps taking this topic to broadly but I am not happy with a lot of the Star Trek Relaunch by Pocket Books including the Voyager Relaunch.

Like WarpTenLizard said, there were a couple of good ideas but there have also been decisions I absolutely not agree with such as the origins of the Borg and how to "resolve" their threat. (okay this was not in the Voyager books but they do tie into this event).
Best not to go further on this topic as it is more appropriate to the Trek Literature sub topic.

Truth be told I really don't know which Voyager books are worth reading. When I had a look on Amazon a lot of the premises of the early ones just did not sound that interesting.
There is also this issue that a lot of reviewers tend to hype up the books, I doubt that almost each and any one of then of them is a must read for a Star Trek fan.

 

[Voth commando1]

Perhaps taking this topic to broadly but I am not happy with a lot of the Star Trek Relaunch by Pocket Books including the Voyager Relaunch.

Like WarpTenLizard said, there were a couple of good ideas but there have also been decisions I absolutely not agree with such as the origins of the Borg and how to "resolve" their threat. (okay this was not in the Voyager books but they do tie into this event).
Best not to go further on this topic as it is more appropriate to the Trek Literature sub topic.

Truth be told I really don't know which Voyager books are worth reading. When I had a look on Amazon a lot of the premises of the early ones just did not sound that interesting.
There is also this issue that a lot of reviewers tend to hype up the books, I doubt that almost each and any one of then of them is a must read for a Star Trek fan.

I loved Destiny myself and honestly like the Voyager relaunch. Their general concept is as sensible as it is intriguing.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Truth be told I really don't know which Voyager books are worth reading. When I had a look on Amazon a lot of the premises of the early ones just did not sound that interesting.

Many episodes have uninspiring synopsis also. Doesn't mean they weren't worth watching.

There is also this issue that a lot of reviewers tend to hype up the books, I doubt that almost each and any one of then of them is a must read for a Star Trek fan.

The Full Circle-Eternal Tide arc should be for any Voyager fan.

 

[cosmic mouse]

I just bought a used copy of Distant Shores since I heard good things about it from a couple of peeps here... I'm not normally big on short stories, but these seem interesting.

 

[Voth commando1]

I am curious as to how the project full circle arc will end. With the possibility of the Trek novels finally getting into and past 2387 opening up I wonder what role Voyager and its characters will play.

And aren't the Voyager novels set years before the Titan/TNG/DS9 stuff which is in 2386 at this point?