The New Klingons

[Mirror Mirror]

I always liked that Tumblr meme.

Yeah, the easiest explanation is that B'Elanna's mom just had different tastes from most Klingons.

Indeed, that's the easiest explanation for most of these so-called "continuity" problems -- that Klingons can be different from each other and still be Klingons.

Your link is busted. They have slready said each of the 24 houses will have its own look. We have now seen two of 24

 

[Sci]

Your link is busted.

Weird. The image is loading fine for me.

They have slready said each of the 24 houses will have its own look. We have now seen two of 24

I heard! I really like that idea. Though my point was in contrasting the DSC Klingons to the TNG and TOS Klingons.

 

[Prax]

Why should they look human. They looked klingon on in DS9.

I like how the elder Klingons often wore fur, but gosh golly those boots look bad.

 

[Fateor]

Does anyone remember the reptile Xindi guy? He had so much crap on his face it made his character a 2 dimensional baddd guy. There were rare scenes where the inflections in his voice helped to offset this, but for the most part he looked pretty silly. And his extravagant costume with purple leggings did not help matters.

That's just an example of badly done makeup not a problem with makeup itself.

For example Babylon 5 had people with just as much makeup who could emote just fine.

 

[Tuskin38]

STD can do whatever it wants to. TOS still stands on its own as standard Star Trek.

Kor

yet, they said at both Comic-Con, and yesterday's panel that they're respecting TOS, are canon and in the Prime Universe.

They'll probably just avoid the flat headed Klingon issue by never showing any.

 

[Prax]

I have never seen that show.

 

[cultcross]

B'elanna's mom was a Klingon...

Who looked nothing at all like the Klingons in TOS, and yet both stories survive unruined. If we are happy to accept some ludicrous virus which can mutate outward expression of forehead DNA in real time, we can live with the cutting and regrowing of hair.

The really silly thing about B'Elanna was that she was the first time (I recall anyway) we saw proof that Klingons and humans could breed to produce fertile offspring, and therefore by at least one definition are the same species.

 

[Nerys Myk]

^ Actually it was John who walked out.

We assume he was walking.

 

[Prax]

Worf's baby's momma

 

[Kor]

B'Elanna said to her mother, "You drove me away, the same way you drove away my father."

That means she drove him away in the family car and dropped him off somewhere.

Kor

 

[Fateor]

The really silly thing about B'Elanna was that she was the first time (I recall anyway) we saw proof that Klingons and humans could breed to produce fertile offspring, and therefore by at least one definition are the same species.

Your Trek-Fu is weak...

The first Klingon/Human hybrid we saw was K'ehleyr in season 2 episode 20 of TNG, and she was perfectly capable of having kids as Alexander can attest too.

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

Who looked nothing at all like the Klingons in TOS, and yet both stories survive unruined. If we are happy to accept some ludicrous virus which can mutate outward expression of forehead DNA in real time, we can live with the cutting and regrowing of hair.

I for one refuse to believe one can just CUT OFF one's hair and expect it to grow back. This is Star Trek, not Star Wars.

 

[Fateor]

By the way, Klingons being naturally bald would violate Canon in a pretty big way.

TNG: The Rightful Heir

KAHLESS: I went into the mountains, all the way to the volcano at Kri'stak. There I cut off a lock of my hair and thrust it into the river of molten rock which poured from the summit. The hair began to burn. Then I plunged it into the lake of Lusor and twisted it into this sword. And after I used it to kill the tyrant Molor I gave it a name. Bat'leth. The sword of honour.
KOROTH: You know. The story of the sword is known only to the High Clerics. It was never written down, so that if he returned, we could be sure it was Kahless.

 

[Jesse1066]

By the way, Klingons being naturally bald would violate Canon in a pretty big way.

TNG: The Rightful Heir

KAHLESS: I went into the mountains, all the way to the volcano at Kri'stak. There I cut off a lock of my hair and thrust it into the river of molten rock which poured from the summit. The hair began to burn. Then I plunged it into the lake of Lusor and twisted it into this sword. And after I used it to kill the tyrant Molor I gave it a name. Bat'leth. The sword of honour.
KOROTH: You know. The story of the sword is known only to the High Clerics. It was never written down, so that if he returned, we could be sure it was Kahless.

Similarly, Spock’s (possibly non-canon) statement that "Klingons have no tear ducts" is contradicted by the story of how Kahless filled the oceans with his tears after the death of his father.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Similarly, Spock’s (possibly non-canon) statement that "Klingons have no tear ducts" is contradicted by the story of how Kahless filled the oceans with his tears after the death of his father.

Not to mention is Klingon blood red or pink?

 

[Nerys Myk]

B'Elanna said to her mother, "You drove me away, the same way you drove away my father."

That means she drove him away in the family car and dropped him off somewhere.

Kor

It was at the apartment of his friend, Oscar Madison. Several years earlier, Madison's wife had thrown him out, requesting that he never return.

 

[Fateor]

Not to mention is Klingon blood red or pink?

It's never mentioned in dialog, so it's whatever color the director wants it to be.

That said Human blood isn't just one color, arterial blood is bright red and venous blood is dark red so it's possible Klingon blood can be both red or pink depending on where they are bleeding from.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It's never mentioned in dialog, so it's whatever color the director wants it to be.

So your arguing visual don't actually matter? What ever the director comes up with is fine?
Dialog established that red is not the color of Klingon blood

KERLA (OC): This is not Klingon blood.
(Sulu beams in)
SULU: Cartwright! Just a minute.
(Kerla strips off a Klingon face mask from the marksman)
C in C (OC): It's Colonel West.

That said Human blood isn't just one color, arterial blood is bright red and venous blood is dark red so it's possible Klingon blood can be both red or pink depending on where they are bleeding from.

Red is red.

 

[Fateor]

So your arguing visual don't actually matter? What ever the director comes up with is fine?

As long as it doesn't violate dialog, story, or create a major inconsistency in the setting yes.

Dialog established that red is not the color of Klingon blood

No, dialog tells us that you can visually tell the difference.

Red is red.

Ah I see, you're Red color blind.

 

[JD]

He also rubbed it between his fingers, so maybe Klingon blood feels different. Every other time we saw Klingon blood on all the other series, it was the same color as human blood. The only reason it was the color it was in TUC was because if it was red the movie would have gotten an R rating.

Because DS9 and ENT established that they did indeed look like that at the time. Obviously their previous appearance is later restored, but if they appeared human in the 2260s, they should appear that way in the 2250s. Unless we imagine that they reverted to a human appearance just for 2260s decade, which sounds a bit much.

We don't know for a fact that all Klingons looked human in the 2260s, all we know is some of the Klingons did. The TOS era novels, novellas, short stories, and comics have all had both ridged and smooth headed Klingons coexising. There's even a sequence in the IDW comic book miniseries Klingons: Blood Will Tell, which looks at the TOS Klingon episodes from a Klingon perspective, where the ridged Klingon who became Arne Darvin in The Trouble with Tribbles, had to have his ridges surgically smoothed out.