But . . . but I didn't write any of the earlier Ascendants stuff. That was those other folks.
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But . . . but I didn't write any of the earlier Ascendants stuff. That was those other folks.
Is S.D. Perry also in Pennsylvania? I'd drive from Philadelphia to pick up the both of you and drop you in a motel along the Turnpike somewhere, nowhere, in the state...with some legal pads, a typewriter, a carton of cigarettes, and a single malt...maybe a baseball and a mitt, and a ukulele...until you guys worked something out.But . . . but I didn't write any of the earlier Ascendants stuff. That was those other folks.
Arrgh! Serious pet peeve of mine. Who are you (or anyone else) to decide whether I'm a "real fan" of Trek (or anything else)?
NO ONE gets to decide if someone else is a fan of anything. NO. ONE. Being a fan is self-selected and need only ever follow one's own criteria. All it takes to be a fan is to say "I'm a fan." That's it. You can make up your own special 847 point checklist to determine the authenticity and intensity of your own fandom...but it ends there. Your checklist is irrelevant beyond yourself.
No real fan would say that.
I've been thinking more about the original question here and I would honestly love to see a Kelvin series with the current Kelvin Enterprise crew. The KT films really don't feel sufficient for me, and while we have the comic book series, I still want to see more live action KT. That would be a lot of fun.
You can look at it any way you want, but you are in no position to tell other people what they like and what they don't like, or how much they like it. I'm not even sure why you would WANT to do this.
It is and has always been a rhetorical question.
Nobody's begrudging you the right to set your own goals and aspire to them. The problem comes when you start trying to set goals for everyone else. Not everyone wants to aspire to your interpretation of hardcore Star Trek fandom. Fortunately, no one really has to.
No, we're really not. We have a thousand different goals and a thousand different things we enjoy about the franchise and the overlap between them is called "common ground."
Being a hardcore trekkie who likes all of it and "respects" the original source material isn't a goal all of us share. It's not the common ground that binds fandom together. The common ground of fandom is "We like Star Trek." Anything beyond that is just details.
The problem with the "true fan" notion, and I'm speaking in general here, not accusing the OP of anything, is that it invariably leads to people being accused of being "fake fans" or being challenged to "prove" that they're a "real" fan or having their opinions dismissed as irrelevant because they're not a "true fan."
As though somehow the "true fans" matter more than, you know, those other folks . . . .
You can't entertain the concept of "true fans" without implying that there are such things as "fake fans," which leads to pissing contests of the "More Trekkier than thou" variety, as well as, sometimes, an unhelpful "Us versus Them" mentality. .
("They're selling out the true fans for ratings!")
STAR TREK is not a cult or a clique or our private clubhouse.
As though somehow the "true fans" matter more than, you know, those other folks . . . .
You can't entertain the concept of "true fans" without implying that there are such things as "fake fans," which leads to pissing contests of the "More Trekkier than thou" variety, as well as, sometimes, an unhelpful "Us versus Them" mentality. .
("They're selling out the true fans for ratings!")
STAR TREK is not a cult or a clique or our private clubhouse.
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Yeah, I have one question I always ask when it comes to people who question my "level" of fandom.
Would you prefer your skull be used as a paperweight, a doorstop, or an ashtray?
I try to be accommodating of all positions.
Would you prefer your skull be used as a paperweight, a doorstop, or an ashtray?
I try to be accommodating of all positions.
A bowl for Jell-O.
To be fair, the curmudgeon in me can get cranky when older stuff gets swept under the table or dismissed by younger fans, but I like to think that's more about me objecting to the past being forgotten than about questioning anybody's nerd cred. I perfectly understand that some folks grew up on TNG or VOYAGER Instead of TOS so that's their preferred flavor of STAR TREK. And I think it's important that any new TREK movie or TV SHOW be appealing and accessible to the general public as well as the "true fans." You shouldn't have to memorize every episode of the old shows to enjoy a new one.
I only call foul when some website posts an article on the "Ten Greatest SF Movies of All Time" or whatever and nine of them were made after 1980 or later. But, again, that's not about pulling rank; that's about fighting a losing battle to give the vintage stuff their due. I'm not going to accuse some dude at a convention of being a fake fan because he's more into THE MATRIX than LOGAN'S RUN.
I only call foul when some website posts an article on the "Ten Greatest SF Movies of All Time" or whatever and nine of them were made after 1980 or later. But, again, that's not about pulling rank; that's about fighting a losing battle to give the vintage stuff their due. I'm not going to accuse some dude at a convention of being a fake fan because he's more into THE MATRIX than LOGAN'S RUN.
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If it makes you feel any better I'm 28 and I adore TOS and if I ever have kids by accident I will introduce them to Star Trek the same way I was: sit them down when they're like six or seven and make them watch TMP until they enjoy it.To be fair, the curmudgeon in me can get cranky when older stuff gets swept under the table or dismissed by younger fans, but I like to think that's more about me objecting to the past being forgotten than about questioning anybody's nerd cred. I perfectly understand that some folks grew up on TNG or VOYAGER Instead of TOS so that's their preferred flavor of STAR TREK. And I think it's important that any new TREK movie or TV SHOW be appealing and accessible to the general public as well as the "true fans." You shouldn't have to memorize every episode of the old shows to enjoy a new one.
I only call foul when some website posts an article on the "Ten Greatest SF Movies of All Time" or whatever and nine of them were made after 1980 or later. But, again, that's not about pulling rank; that's about fighting a losing battle to give the vintage stuff their due. I'm not going to accuse some dude at a convention of being a fake fan because he's more into THE MATRIX than LOGAN'S RUN.
^ Why wait? I had my son watching TMP when he was a baby. He liked the music and the flashy visuals but he usually fell asleep just before the Wingwalk scene.
To be a true fan
1) You have to have travelled millions of miles (thousands) to paid homage to the Enterprise at the air and space museum in Washington DC
2) You have to have joined this forum before the year 2000
The rest of you are amatuers
1) You have to have travelled millions of miles (thousands) to paid homage to the Enterprise at the air and space museum in Washington DC
2) You have to have joined this forum before the year 2000
The rest of you are amatuers
Don't bury yourself in the part! 
I've done the first one but only had to travel 40 miles.To be a true fan
1) You have to have travelled millions of miles (thousands) to paid homage to the Enterprise at the air and space museum in Washington DC
2) You have to have joined this forum before the year 2000
The rest of you are amatuers
Forever screwed on the second one. Now I'll never be cool!
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