He has Hooves.
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He has Hooves.
Beyer's comments make sense to me.
Star Trek never gave any indication that religion was in any way banned, oppressed or wiped out - this would be contrary to its values - but I think it did make the assumption that as our understanding of the universe grew, traditional religions would just wane or transform into something completely personal.
A reflection of this might be the gradual change in language over the next couple of centuries. Bones might have grown up around a dialect where exclamations about God were common, but Lorca may have not.
Kirk I recon was a theist, but only in the mechanical prime mover deist sense, or the sense of Spinoza's non-theistic concept of god. I have no evidence, but that was the attitude of people like Einstein and fit the spirit of the era - Kirk was familiar with Spinoza as seen in Where No Man Has Gone Before. By contrast Picard and Sisko I think were outright atheists, with Picard having a particularly strong background in philosophy.
Star Trek never gave any indication that religion was in any way banned, oppressed or wiped out - this would be contrary to its values - but I think it did make the assumption that as our understanding of the universe grew, traditional religions would just wane or transform into something completely personal.
A reflection of this might be the gradual change in language over the next couple of centuries. Bones might have grown up around a dialect where exclamations about God were common, but Lorca may have not.
Kirk I recon was a theist, but only in the mechanical prime mover deist sense, or the sense of Spinoza's non-theistic concept of god. I have no evidence, but that was the attitude of people like Einstein and fit the spirit of the era - Kirk was familiar with Spinoza as seen in Where No Man Has Gone Before. By contrast Picard and Sisko I think were outright atheists, with Picard having a particularly strong background in philosophy.
Language and colloquialisms change considerably over decades, let alone centuries, that's not the question here. It's a show for the early 21st century audiences, written in early 21st century English, so it's reasonable to expect early 21st century English colloquialisms.
A theme song does not a musical make. Many many shows have theme songs.
I'll worry about that when it happens. But if it does? Well, hey, it's their property, not mine. They can do that if they want -- and I can choose not to watch it. But they don't owe me, or us, jack shit.
Star Trek is not a story. It is a shared setting, with certain shared creative conceits and tropes. TOS told one story; TNG another; DS9 a third; VOY a fourth; ENT a fifth. And now DSC is going to tell a new story.
As T'Pol put it in "Terra Prime: "Neither of our species is what it was a million years ago, nor what it'll become in the future. Life is change."
Exactly so.
And I personally believe this is what it's like on Earth in the 23rd/24th/25th/whatever century. Roddenberry had some issues with religions, and felt it didn't belong on a evolved planet Earth. Personally, I think that's a lot of crap. I think people became tolerant of each other, simple as that.
!Probably spoilers!
Some more coverage, including the cast talking about their favorite episodes (via Trekmovie):
http://trekmovie.com/2017/07/27/more-details-on-the-war-with-the-klingons-in-star-trek-discovery/
Some more coverage, including the cast talking about their favorite episodes (via Trekmovie):
http://trekmovie.com/2017/07/27/more-details-on-the-war-with-the-klingons-in-star-trek-discovery/
I don't think religion disappeared (if it did) because of intolerance. People don't really believe in Greek or Egyptian gods today, so it's not unfathomable that most religion would dissapear by the 24th century. Especially since Federation technology gives them almost godlike powers.
EW issue has a story on Fuller's departure from the show:
http://trekcore.com/blog/2017/07/new-ew-issue-details-bryan-fullers-discovery-departure/
They DID plan an anthology show!
http://trekcore.com/blog/2017/07/new-ew-issue-details-bryan-fullers-discovery-departure/
They DID plan an anthology show!
I'm not a Christian and I winced at that part of the interview. They seem to be missing the context of the times that TOS took place in and boiling the Prime timeline down to facts and dates.
Well we are indeed discovering new and frightening depths of the human condition with this show already. Somebody's favourite episode is The Offspring.
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I winced when I saw Gene Roddenberry's Vision, nothing good ever comes from devotion to that. It is hilariously ironic in the context of the article, though.
This article is very interesting. I guess we will wonder for years how Fuller's Discovery might have looked like. His ideas don't sound bad at all. My guess is that they were just too ambitious and unorthodox for CBS. I wonder if the idea was to follow the adventures of future versions of ships called Discovery in each season. I love the direction they are going with now, but I sure would have liked to see his vision realized. Who knows, maybe one day we still might.
Again, she's one writer amongst many. How does that one out-of-context behind-the-scenes discussion reflect the stance of a whole writer's room full of different people?
^ Simply sounds like there will be a story/character related reason for this comment from her. Why not give them the benefit of the doubt and wait before declaring “The writers don't understand Star Trek!” or “No religion in the future of Trek? How ridiculous!”
I just want someone to beam down and say 'Behold, I am the Archangel Gabriel!'
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