The New Klingons

[Rahul]

Goddamn! Those guys back then were really talented with designing stuff! That looks great 50 years later... and was done on a budget and limitations nobody today would make a half-hour comedy show with...

I can get why people love to re-design and re-imagine things. But still, those new klingon ships? Their design isn't even close as brilliant, simplistic and iconic as this one. Thank you for posting that!

 

[CorporalClegg]

No doubt Jefferies was a fucking genius.

 

[Kor]

Modernistic design has always tended toward streamlined, elegant simplicity, even eschewing unnecessary ornamentation. This was reflected in the more prominent ship designs in TOS.

Kor

 

[Jesse1066]

I love the designs of TOS, but that style doesn't mesh with the current style of 2017, which is very intricate and often overdesigned. Not just in sci-fi either. Car designers do it too, for example.
Anyway, I hope we see K't'ingas in DSC, but I'm not holding my breath. It looks like that big ship is basically the new D7.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Goddamn! Those guys back then were really talented with designing stuff! That looks great 50 years later... and was done on a budget and limitations nobody today would make a half-hour comedy show with...

I can get why people love to re-design and re-imagine things. But still, those new klingon ships? Their design isn't even close as brilliant, simplistic and iconic as this one. Thank you for posting that!

And as Psion's picture (the picture about which you responded) shows us, the Romulans thought they were pretty keen as well!

One irony of TOS is that the first time we saw those Classic Klingon D7 Battlecruisers ever on Star Trek...They were Romulan ships!
(did I use "irony" correctly? That one always gets me.)

 

[Shaka Zulu]

To be fair, in 1987 we had Starlog magazine. That's about it.

If we had the internet in full swing then, there would've been just as much BS about TNG as there is about DSC now.

There was not only just Starlog, there was Starburst (England) Dream Watch Bulletin (England, eventually became Dreamwatch),
Fangoria (now dead as of early 2017), Fantastic Films (eventually became Filmfax), Omni (which covered sci-fi films sometimes), plus the newsletters of fan clubs, fan publications like Trek-The Magazine For Star Trek Fans, and computer services like CompuServe, Dow Jones News & Information Retrieval, and GEnie with their BBSes to discuss franchises like Star Trek and other types of sci-fi, visual and literary.

 

[Tesophius]

C) Don't care what they look like.

I don't like Klingons, in most episodes they're portrayed as highly primitive and overly aggressive. They don't strike me as a realistic species. I've enjoyed some episodes with them where I had to turn my brain off and just enjoy the story, but overall I could do without them. I'm disappointed that they're playing a major role in the new Star Trek.

 

[Kor]

Seeing them in motion in the second trailer, I could actually picture them existing alongside the one fully made-up JJVerse Klingon that we have seen so far.

Kor

 

[Prax]

Anyone remember Mr. Mott?

When he says "Klingons have such luxuriant hair," is that cannnon??

 

[Spider]

Anyone remember Mr. Mott?

When he says "Klingons have such luxuriant hair," is that cannnon??

Canon, as in "being shot out of", yeah, sorta. New series, new canon. This is the 6th iteration of Star Trek on TV, we should be used to this sort of thing by now.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

As someone who shaves his head, every day. Being Bald does not mean you lack the ability to grow hair. Maybe bald is just in style

 

[Gepard]

It intrigues me that the DSC Klingon designs are effectively the TNG-onwards versions, minus everything the TNG makeup inherited from the original series, e.g. the hair, the Fu-Manchu moustache, and any semblance of a human nose. I wonder if that was intentional.

 

[Prax]

Canon, as in "being shot out of", yeah, sorta. New series, new canon. This is the 6th iteration of Star Trek on TV, we should be used to this sort of thing by now.

That's not canon though, what you just said.


It's not...

 

[Prassel]

I just hope they're not ALL going to be essentially bald and beardless. The homogeneity amongst alien species in outward appearance details like this bothers me.

 

[Visitor1982]

Klingons, schmingons. Give me the Pakleds on any day!

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

C) Don't care what they look like.

I don't like Klingons, in most episodes they're portrayed as highly primitive and overly aggressive. They don't strike me as a realistic species. I've enjoyed some episodes with them where I had to turn my brain off and just enjoy the story, but overall I could do without them. I'm disappointed that they're playing a major role in the new Star Trek.

I have a feeling the Klingons in this series will be explored in a deeper way to explore the motivations behind that perceived primitiveness and aggressiveness.

We could be getting a look at "why do Klingons act the way we have traditionally seen them act", which IMO would be a good thing. What we perceive as aggressiveness and primitiveness might be seen in a different light -- or at least be given a new understanding.

 

[Tesophius]

I have a feeling the Klingons in this series will be explored in a deeper way to explore the motivations behind that perceived primitiveness and aggressiveness.

We could be getting a look at "why do Klingons act the way we have traditionally seen them act", which IMO would be a good thing. What we perceive as aggressiveness and primitiveness might be seen in a different light -- or at least be given a new understanding.

Perhaps. If it was a deliberate augmentation by their scientists to overcome some kind of a fundamental obstacle, that would be interesting.

 

[fireproof78]

Perhaps. If it was a deliberate augmentation by their scientists to overcome some kind of a fundamental obstacle, that would be interesting.

I am sincerely hoping for this.

 

[Tesophius]

Imagine if they used to be a race of docile nerds, everyone was a scientist and an intellectual, but then something happened...

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Perhaps. If it was a deliberate augmentation by their scientists to overcome some kind of a fundamental obstacle, that would be interesting.

I'm not looking for any kind of augmentation explanation -- either appearance-wise or behavior-wise.

First of all, I never had an issue with the look of the Klingons magically changing between TOS and TMP without explanation; that was fine with me. In fact, I thought it was pretty cool that they changed the entire look without explanation. I suppose back then, we were much less worried about changes like that.

Secondly, I would rather them do things to give a greater understanding to the Klingon behavior as we know it from TOS/TNG/etc. I don't need them to give me a reason that their behavior was once different, then "changed", but rather give as a deeper look at Klingons that fits in well with what we already know.