Alex Kurtzman: 'Star Trek: Discovery' Will Spark Debate And Adhere To Canon
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Of course not.
The design worked so well initially because interested viewers could identify, or at least make a good guess, at the location and function of all the ship stuff by looking at it. The Enterprise looks rationally constructed (for its time). That's all.
The design worked so well initially because interested viewers could identify, or at least make a good guess, at the location and function of all the ship stuff by looking at it. The Enterprise looks rationally constructed (for its time). That's all.
I believe a great deal of the unrest and hatred from ENT through Kelvinverse up to now is precisely this. It's the angst and disappointment that Picard-Trek isn't coming back.
It's not as much the TOS purists like it was back in the TMP era or at the TNG premier. Now it's everyone wanting a post-Nemesis show set primarily in a conference room with guest appearances by Tuvix and Keiko and Wesley Crusher.
And, for every 2-3 fans who are whining about "why don't they take some risks in ship design," the showrunners know damn well there's another 10-20 "fans" who would lynch them if the Starfleet saucer and nacelle design went away.
I would miss the saucer. I haven't seen many variations of that saucer that didn't look just plain elegant to me in one way or another. I am a Trek Conservative on this point.
Honestly, I just pretty much care how it looks.
Fun fact: hippo is actually Latin for "horse" and a hippopotamus is a "water horse." So, are you trying to compare a horse to a horse?
I'll show myself out.
Also, I'm partial to both the Akira and the NX series, for completely different reasons. The NX always gave me a small, tight, almost submarine feel, like the Akira was a definite carrier feel.
But it's a matter of how plausible the fiction is, though. Given the ways that physics influences and limits design here on Earth, it makes for a more believable fictional universe if starships are subject to similar influences and limits. That way, it feels like the universe makes sense rather than following random rules.
It's the same with most anything, really -- a world where something operates within certain clear limits feels more grounded and believable than one where something can follow any arbitrary whim. That's why so many fantasy universes have clearly defined rules of how magic works, including limitations and costs of its use so that it isn't just a deus ex machina for solving any problem. That's why so many fictional universes construct working languages like Klingon and Dothraki, rather than just having the characters utter random sounds. Consistency adds credibility. Things in real life follow patterns, so fictional things that follow patterns feel more real.
Well, not "jets." One of Roddenberry's most famous design requirements for the Enterprise was to make it look like it had power without going for the cliche of rocket or jet exhaust shooting out the back. So they went for something more like the engine nacelles of an aircraft, with the rotating vanes of the nacelle caps perhaps inspired by a jet engine's fan. (Although the use of rotating light effects to suggest a futuristic power source was also used in Forbidden Planet and Lost in Space.)
Your insulted that someone who disagrees with you thinks that they are nevertheless correct in their view? Really? I make the assumption that people who give opinions I disagree with may really think that their view is correct. They may even think it's *certainly* correct. Not a problem for me.
Critique in the arts can certainly be harsh. Sometimes very harsh. And the word "certainly" is most certainly not banned. I understand that you don't think the retro Discoverse uniforms look silly. It's also not clear if you accept that one influence is retrofuturism. But that's no more controversial than saying "much the music of Brian Setzer shows a strong rockabilly influence".
In the case of the Kelvin uniforms, the designer looked to vintage, classic Sci fi for uniform inspiration and thought that was good idea. He certainly made no apology for it. Why not use influential, iconic, vintage design elements? Why is that a bad thing? If you said to him that the uniforms remind you of 40s Buck Rogers, he might say "Thanks! That's what we were going for!" Evoking the retro feel was the purpose after all, and not one they are sorry about.
For me, retrofuturism can make the design look less plausibly futuristic for exactly that reason. Obviously people can have different views on that. But yes, I certainly, most definitely think that.
I don't "accept" anything of the sort, and the very phrasing is condescending. I see nothing retro in these designs, and you have yet to explain what specific design elements seem retro to you and in what ways. Hell, if their goal was nostalgia, wouldn't they have based them on "The Cage"? Their total dissimilarity to TOS uniforms seems like a pretty clear indication that they aren't meant to invoke the past.
Which may explain the negative response to them.
There's always negative response to everything new, especially before anyone's actually seen it in context. Plenty of things that people end up loving after they finally see them get a negative response in advance, so the existence of that response ahead of time means nothing except that people are too quick to judge. And it's not everyone; it's just a vocal minority. The people who yell and complain inevitably make more noise than the people who are fine with it. It's important not to mistake volume for consensus.
I never have. Otherwise I would never enjoy anything
Um, actually the response across the board is very positive for the uniforms, with the exception of the Talifans. Just a few Trekkies here and there. Not sure where you are seeing negative response. The gallery at SDCC in particular was a monster hit with the elaborate uniforms on display.
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I sometimes don't understand some criticism. I'm like the easiest guy to please when it comes to sci-fi. I watch every Trek series, though I have my favorites, I think the last few years of "Doctor Who" have been just as solid as the first few years starting in 2005 for the most part. I love the Kelvin Universe movies and the new Star Wars movies. I liked how "Lost" and "Battlestar Galatica" ended. I think the only thing that I watched and wanted to watch in the last few years that was so bad I gave up on it was "Terror Nova" and the American version of "Life on Mars."
Jason
Jason
Personally, continuity questions aside, I think the uniforms look very good. I've always liked blue uniforms. I'm not sure about the use of metallic highlights to indicate department, since they aren't as easy to tell apart as the old red/gold/blue, but it's a pretty snazzy design overall. And I like the white medical uniforms, which have a TMP feel.
Didn't those both star Jason O'Mara? Either it's a coincidence, or maybe you just don't like him.
Didn't those both star Jason O'Mara? Either it's a coincidence, or maybe you just don't like him.
Personally, continuity questions aside, I think the uniforms look very good. I've always liked blue uniforms. I'm not sure about the use of metallic highlights to indicate department, since they aren't as easy to tell apart as the old red/gold/blue, but it's a pretty snazzy design overall. And I like the white medical uniforms, which have a TMP feel.
Didn't those both star Jason O'Mara? Either it's a coincidence, or maybe you just don't like him.
I did notice the Jason O'Mara connection. Which is why I was pleasantly surprised how much I did like him on "Agents of Shield." Perhaps the lesson is he should never be a series lead but instead a supporting character.
Jason
I did notice the Jason O'Mara connection. Which is why I was pleasantly surprised how much I did like him on "Agents of Shield." Perhaps the lesson is he should never be a series lead but instead a supporting character.
Well, he's currently playing Batman in the DC Universe Animated Original Movies, and he's pretty good there, though it took some getting used to his voice.
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