Does canon really matter?
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What work?
Keeping track of 12 universes rather than 2. I mean hell, even god can't keep one in shape.
It isn't work, and isn't something that folks haven't already been doing for decades with various comics. I embrace the multi-verse. It is actually a lot easier than trying to paper over conflicts within a single timeline.
Even without fanon splits the Trek universe has hundreds of altered timelines, split universes and interference with events. It hasn't been one coherent timeline since the first time travel episode, and it got particularly bad at messing with alternate timeline when Voyager came along - at least twice, they fundamentally altered the past permanently in order to change Voyager's fate. Adding a few more timelines isn't going to make much difference.
Yes but Star Trek has had the benefit of the people who created it telling us exactly what timeline it takes place in. Didn't we literally have an episode with a "there are only so many things there as are actually there despite what you may think are there" moral in TNG?
Prime (DSC, TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, VGR, Movies 1-10)
Kelvin (Movies 11-13)
Novelverse
Star Trek: Online
Mirror Universe
I only count 5 very distinct universes and oh, my oh my, the studio agrees with me, and they own it.
Prime (DSC, TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, VGR, Movies 1-10)
Kelvin (Movies 11-13)
Novelverse
Star Trek: Online
Mirror Universe
I only count 5 very distinct universes and oh, my oh my, the studio agrees with me, and they own it.
I know! it's so awesome.
And just to be clear... it is you agreeing with the studio. So don't try to inflate your self-worth by somehow thinking that they are in tune with your wishes.
We also had a TNG episode explicitly showing a multiverse, of course.
Just to be clear that the studio owns this and we are not to follow in the path of Alec Peters, Because that's very bad road to go down.
But TNG also introduced us to the "barriers" between them and the idea that the Prime Universe was this immutable singular path of canon that had to be maintained and thus protected by The Great Red Button.
Interpreting material has nothing to do with Alec Peters, and I tend to think you know that. You are free to interpret things however you want, respect my right to do the same.
I can't really, in knowing that I have to spend the entire run of this new show discussing it in terms of it being the prime universe, knowing I have to spend as much time arguing with people that it even is i nteh first place.
You are showing me now, before the show even airs, that I have to stock up on migraine medication because people older than me cannot discuss the show on it's own terms without adding additional irritating barriers to doing that and lowering my enjoyment.
How terrible for you...
In fact, @BillJ surely believes we saw at least four different universes in DS9. The mirror universe and one universe each for every time Tora Ziyal was recast.
Because every time production reasons change something (recasting a character, changing the look of a show, etc.) it's a new time line?
Because every time production reasons change something (recasting a character, changing the look of a show, etc.) it's a new time line?
That sounds more like a video game
DSC is nothing like TMP. TMP introduced several changes to the world, even though it was only ten years since TOS. Clearly, that was a completely disregard of canon and should be considered a new timeline.
It was a joke. Ha ha.
In fact, @BillJ surely believes we saw at least four different universes in DS9. The mirror universe and one universe each for every time Tora Ziyal was recast.
Because every time production reasons change something (recasting a character, changing the look of a show, etc.) it's a new time line?
That must mean all TOS movies are different universes altogether what with the uniforms, model repaints, Saavik, bridges etc
I demand we reprint all the Star Trek Encyclopedias to represent Bill's great multiversal vision! at least 40 volumes, and we must all buy them all.
Being such a benevolant being overseeing so many realities, he has no time for such petty concerns as money and won't mind us giving all that cash to other causes.
It's really more than just the look. Unfortunately, you can't recapture the time, and experiences of the creative individuals involved from a show from fifty years ago.
No matter how much the minutiae matches up, it will never have the same flavor. So I treat it as a reboot. And that isn't some kind of view meant to be dismissive of Discovery.
A 1966 and 2017 Mustang are very different cars, driven to market by very different circumstances.
Let me help you with that:
STO is for funzies and irrelevant.
Novelverse is for funzies and irrelevant.
Mirror Universe is for funzies and partially irrelevant.
Kelvin is movies only.
So there really shouldn't be much of a burden.
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