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Here's to the Losers: The Best Vic Fontaine Moment

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About a year and a half ago, I offered a thread about what I thought was the best episode featuring Dax. There were one or two contentious threads at the time about why Farrell left the series and the way it was framed in the series, and I thought discussing Dax in a different manner might create some common ground.

I've noticed that a thread about Vic Fontaine has been getting attention, and I want to do the same for his character as I did for Dax. My feelings about Vic have changed slightly over the years. Whereas I first saw him as one generation imposing its interests on my own, I think of Vic as mostly part of the background of the series. Their are certainly more offensive creatures, and his premise is simple enough that it adds few complications. He's just a manifestation of the holodeck, the tool that three series used to entertain their characters.

Talking about Vic's best episode, I would think, would not be all that interesting. He was only a feature in three, and I would think IOAPM would be a unanimous choice. Instead, I want to focus on his best moment. The performance of "Here's to the Losers" and the ensuing dialogue were both funny and melancholy. The notion that Bashir and Quark still carried torches for Dax was a hamhanded way of revisiting the characters' past relationships. However, using Vic was something the episode did effectively on that front: it gave Bashir and Quark a way of saying goodbye that did not interfere with Worf's mourning at the end of the episode or Sisko's spiritual crisis. Imagine if Bashir gave a speech about what Dax had meant to him! Moreover, I think it gave Bashir's character a little more focus going into the last season.

Of course, the song is funny, and I think it is one of the more interesting elements of pop culture to be recognized in Star Trek.

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I think my favorite Vic moment is the scene with Quark were Quark is talking about how lonely it is to be a bartender and Vic comforts him and then 2 attractive girls come over and they are going to go out with Vic and Quark says something about "I thought bartenders are supose to live lonely lives?" and then he says something like "I'm not a bartender."

I am also someone who has grown to enjoy the character more over time. I love "His Way" even though I still think Kira/Odo worked better as friends with Odo kind of longing for her. I liked the ep were Nog moved in with him as well. "Badda Bing" has got to be my least favorite use of him, even if I think most other people, tend to love that ep.

Jason
 
It's Only a Paper Moon is my favorite Vic episode. It was a bold move in that it primarily featured two secondary characters, dealt with PTSD, developed Nog way more than most other Trek characters, and gave Vic more to do then sing a song and say "Hiya Pallie."
 
It's been at least a decade since the last time I watched any DS9 episodes, and I'm trying to think of any in which Vic Fontaine could be considered offensive. I liked this character (and of course the actor - Time Tunnel was one of my must-watch TV shows waaay back when).
 
Whereas I first saw him as one generation imposing its interests on my own...
This seems like an odd observation.

Considering how far back this style of music and entertainer goes, what "generation" would be "imposing" anything? It would have been contemporary for people in their 60s to 80s at the time DS9 was written. Were there really that many older folks involved in the process?

As an old fart myself, just not that old, I still found it very retro. Something my parents might have been more conversant with.

I suppose we all carry baggage that can get in the way of enjoying some things. I know there are a lot of things on television from recent years that can get my back up and interfere with my enjoyment of them. Thanks for prompting some introspection and another opportunity for self-improvement.
 
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