Alex Kurtzman: 'Star Trek: Discovery' Will Spark Debate And Adhere To Canon

[N-121973]

Here's an idea that's probably already been suggested re the 'new uniforms' - what if the tops that were sported in 'The Cage' & 'Where No Man Has Gone Before' are worn underneath the grey & silver 'Zac Branigan' outfits seen in the photos, which are in fact jackets? I always felt that the 'Wrath of Khan' uniforms were inspired by the 'Cage' landing party/away team uniforms anyway. Is it possible we'll see a scene where someone puts one on or removes one exposing a 'Cage' top in the process?

 

[CorporalClegg]

I like the idea that the uniforms are just two different outfits designed by two different people for two different series a half a century apart better.

 

[fireproof78]

Here's an idea that's probably already been suggested re the 'new uniforms' - what if the tops that were sported in 'The Cage' & 'Where No Man Has Gone Before' are worn underneath the grey & silver 'Zac Branigan' outfits seen in the photos, which are in fact jackets? I always felt that the 'Wrath of Khan' uniforms were inspired by the 'Cage' landing party/away team uniforms anyway. Is it possible we'll see a scene where someone puts one on or removes one exposing a 'Cage' top in the process?

Or possibly that different assignments, and ships may have different uniforms, much like modern submarines vs. surface ships.

 

[Phoenix219]

Here's an idea that's probably already been suggested re the 'new uniforms' - what if the tops that were sported in 'The Cage' & 'Where No Man Has Gone Before' are worn underneath the grey & silver 'Zac Branigan' outfits seen in the photos, which are in fact jackets? I always felt that the 'Wrath of Khan' uniforms were inspired by the 'Cage' landing party/away team uniforms anyway. Is it possible we'll see a scene where someone puts one on or removes one exposing a 'Cage' top in the process?

I'm totally fine with something like that, as the reverse could be true too, and the WOK style uniforms conceal standard Trekware as well. I think this is what "Potemkin" went with, aesthetically.

 

[Tarek71]

I like the idea that the uniforms are just two different outfits designed by two different people for two different series a half a century apart better.

If we had a reality show "So you think you can be a costume designer?" and one weeks challenge was "redesign the Starfleet uniform!", then I could see the sentiment you have here. Different designers, different visions. But when there is a continuity to deal with, that should be preserved as much as possible, IMHO. Clearly, as with the Abramsverse films and Rogue One, artists are capable of taking direction that requires a strong continuity. And I for one greatly prefer that.

Also, the contestant that presented the fru fru, glittery, shimmery, Captain Neutron retro-futuristic Discovery costumes would be the one sent home by the judges at the end of the episode.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

The TMP uniforms and TOS uniforms are in continuity with each other, so....

 

[CorporalClegg]

But when there is a continuity to deal with...

Nope.

 

[Tarek71]

The TMP uniforms and TOS uniforms are in continuity with each other, so....

That's a linear progression. One is set after the other. Uniforms can change over time. They do even in the real world. But ST09, Rogue One and DSC all have a setting already shown before and that rightly needed a strong continuity with what was shown before.

 

[Tarek71]

Nope.

JJ Abrams said "yep". And I'm glad he did.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Better than 80% of nuTrek's art design deviates substantially from TOS, uniforms included.

 

[Tarek71]

Better than 80% of nuTrek's art design deviates substantially from TOS, uniforms included.

They decided on updates to the basic blue, gold, and red shirts that are unmistakably in very close TOS era continuity. They have over three films added other, different, newer uniforms of various kinds that for the most part work well, make sense and correspond to the wide range of uniform types that real uniformed services have. It was a win-win. They established strong continuity while also reasonably expanding it.

 

[fireproof78]

That's a linear progression. One is set after the other. Uniforms can change over time. They do even in the real world. But ST09, Rogue One and DSC all have a setting already shown before and that rightly needed a strong continuity with what was shown before.

Ten years is plenty of time, and follows just fine from the Kelvin uniforms.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

That's a linear progression. One is set after the other. Uniforms can change over time.

and....?

Ten years is plenty of time, and follows just fine from the Kelvin uniforms.

Indeed. Exactly.

 

[Tarek71]

and....?


Indeed. Exactly.

We've seen the DSC era in the Cage. We hadn't seen what came after TOS. Like Rogue One, we have seen this era before. The phaser design seemed to show they are aware of that. But nevertheless decided on shimmer, glitter retro Space Ranger over doing to Cage what ST09 did with the classic TOS uniform.

 

[Jesse1066]

Here's an idea that's probably already been suggested re the 'new uniforms' - what if the tops that were sported in 'The Cage' & 'Where No Man Has Gone Before' are worn underneath the grey & silver 'Zac Branigan' outfits seen in the photos, which are in fact jackets? I always felt that the 'Wrath of Khan' uniforms were inspired by the 'Cage' landing party/away team uniforms anyway. Is it possible we'll see a scene where someone puts one on or removes one exposing a 'Cage' top in the process?

The uniform does presumably have an undershirt. It's totally plausible that it's a simple department colored shirt with an insignia patch. It also could be something entirely different (and probably is to be honest), but I do like the idea. As it happens, TWOK's department colored undershirts looked pretty Cagey.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

We've seen the DSC era in the Cage. We hadn't seen what came after TOS. Like Rogue One, we have seen this era before. The phaser design seemed to show they are aware of that. But nevertheless decided on shimmer, glitter retro Space Ranger over doing to Cage what ST09 did with the classic TOS uniform.

They're evidently calling them phasers and not lasers. I'll be very surprised, if they talk about time warp factors, too.

It's time that fans move from denial, quickly on through anger, bargaining, and depression, to acceptance.

The uniform does presumably have an undershirt. It's totally plausible that it's a simple department colored shirt with an insignia patch. It also could be something entirely different (and probably is to be honest), but I do like the idea. As it happens, TWOK's department colored undershirts looked pretty Cagey.

That would be fine, and it wouldn't be at all surprising, but it isn't essential.

 

[John Cooley]

Except what you are seeing in Star Trek Discovery is a uniform "Tunic", and not a jacket at all.

John

 

[Tarek71]

They're evidently calling them phasers and not lasers. I'll be very surprised, if they talk about time warp factors, too.

I would be surprised if they did as well. Nevertheless they seem to get in some cases, as JJ has, that a strong continuity with what we have seen before in the same era makes sense. It's not some crazy, unhinged idea that the Tarkin of a week before the events of ANH wears a very similar uniform to the one he wears a week (of story time) later.

It's time that fans move from denial, quickly on through anger, bargaining, and depression, to acceptance.

If I see any fans like that, I will tell them something similar, but not many so far, though quite a few who think a lot of what we have seen sucks. That's not denying anything.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

If I see any fans like that, I will tell them something similar, but not many so far, though quite a few who think a lot of what we have seen sucks. That's not denying anything.

I was enumerating the five stages of grief in the Kübler-Ross model. Acceptance in this case means primarily accepting that whatever DSC is is whatever Star Trek legitimately is, just as denial means denying that. It doesn't mean liking it. Nor does it mean liking the creative choices.

 

[Tarek71]

I was enumerating the five stages of grief in the Kübler-Ross model. Acceptance in this case means primarily accepting that whatever DSC is is whatever Star Trek legitimately is, just as denial means denying that. It doesn't mean liking it. Nor does it mean liking the creative choices.

I know what youre referencing but, as I said, I haven't seen too much of that. Everyone is aware that DSC is an official, canon Star Trek show. Someone is denying that? Thinking it sucks is not denying anything. Thinking that choices that were made don't make sense is not being in denial about anything. It's just a bizarre reference/analogy.