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Jodie Whittaker is the 13th Doctor

She'll be packing hair gel and makeup. Mind you one never really thought about previous Doctor's grooming habits, at least she won't be shaving every morning.
Fair cop, it just stood out to me in the picture.

The TARDIS probably has a room like George Jetson to get the Doctor ready for the day.
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as a disabled, chronically ill, working class northerner there's not too many representations like me around

Hmm... Izzy on Corrie is all I can come up with, and she's a woman. But I'm in Canada so I may be missing a few.

But then I've only seen one episode of Broadchurch which was the final episode of S3 and despite the subject matter I'll be honest, I found it hard to take seriously down to Colman's west country accent, which just kept reminding me of her role in Hot Fuzz!

Time to watch Hot Fuzz again, I guess. I don't remember knowing Colman was in that, but I might not have been familiar with her at that point. Speaking of the cornetto trilogy, I'd've been okay with Tamsin Greig as the Doctor, too, though I always used to picture her as Bernice Summerfield. But Lisa Bowerman pretty much owns Benny now (oh, look, another Corrie connection).

I think the thing I'm finding annoying now is all the SJWs writing articles about the casting of the new Doctor. Probably people who have never watched the show in the first place.

No, people unironically using terms like SJW, cuck, PC, etc are annoying. Especially on a Trek board in a Doctor Who discussion. You're swimming in SJW political correctness when you watch those shows. It's a good thing.
 
Does that mean Anna Gunn would be the American Doctor should they try another go? Actually, I wouldn't mind that...


That reminds be that whoever did the "If Doctor Who was an American show" set for Doctor for the 50th Anniversary will need to update the list with the first American female Doctor (they had up to the 12th Doctor and War Doctors since Capaldi had been announced by then).
 
I have no problem with female leads and characters. I'm a huge Buffy the Vampire Slayer fan, Resident Evil Fan, Underworld fan and would have been displeased if all those characters went male based.

Don't forget Ripley from Alien; the grandmammy of them all! :D

Underworld is planning television and film spin offs based on Sebastian and David, with David being one of the new Grand Elders alongside Selene, is that a problem?

It's a small problem, mostly because those are 2 of the most boring characters from the franchise. I wish they'd bring back Erika. She's one of the few good characters from the original movie that still hasn't been killed off. (If I had my druthers, they would have had her in place of Samira in Underworld: Blood Wars.)

If they consented I guess there's not much that can be done other boycott anything that runs those pics. Well that or protest their places of business. I wonder if you can nail them for making any money off those photo's. If someone tried to run a movie on youtube for example and they didn't have the rights they would be shut down. Not sure how screenshots are seen by the law.

IIRC, about 20 years ago, Alyssa Milano started some kind of legal kerfuffle because some website was posting a bunch of topless screenshots of her from Embrace of the Vampire. I don't recall what the result of that was.

Just, no romance please, after Rose and Clara, maybe 2 or 3 seasons without a Doctor in love...
More a "best friends/family" vibe like with Donna or Rory and Amy...

While I couldn't stand Clara's flirty relationship with Matt Smith, I loved her almost de facto babysitter role towards Peter Capaldi in his more absent-minded moments.

That's because she is not the Doctor yet in that promo, not really. The clothes were probably chosen on the fly because it disguised her appearance until the reveal.
I like however how that outfit is gender neutral.
I would like something in that spirit for her hopefully more doctorish costume(s).

Honestly, I would be fine with that costume or something like that for her regular run. One of my favorite aspects of Capaldi's Doctor is that his costumes were usually very low key & unintrusive. You were looking at his face and his performance, not what he was wearing. With Whittaker, I think that principle is even more important.

Can you name me any successful TV series at all that was run on the lines of "giving the fans what they want"?

Lost Girl seemed keenly aware of the fact that it was mostly being kept on the air by the Doccubus 'shippers. Granted, that was not so much when it was successful as it was during the last few seasons when it was circling the drain.

I wonder how the production might handle the situation if, mind you "IF", Whittaker were to become pregnant during her run? With Lucille Ball, they simply wrote it into the show. Doctor Who, being science fantasy, could get a bit more creative. I mean, if Chibnal and staff wanted to get strange, they could write it as the Doctor getting "infected" with a parasitical life form, one slowly growing over the course of the series. On the other hand, a real life pregnancy could be "ignored" with careful editing, cinematography, wardrobe and in some case, a bit of digital "jiggery pokery".

Considering how many breaks the show has taken during the last few years, I would almost expect them to just put the show on hiatus for 9 months. (Makes you wonder how many kids Matt Smith & Peter Capaldi have been giving birth to! :D )

Although, I've seen lots of instances of being able to successfully shoot around a pregnant actress. After all these years, I still can't even identify the Seinfeld episodes where Julia Louis-Dreyfus was pregnant.

It would be funny if she introduces herself as John Smith somewhere and everybody just stares at her and she doesn't get it...

That's what I was thinking too. (Granted, I felt that the "John Smith" alias should have been retired after "The Family of Blood." But I realize that that ship has sailed.)

Given that Romana sometimes came across as a "female Doctor," it makes me want to see Romana come back to the show more than ever just to see the distinct contrast between the characters' personalities despite their newfound physical similarities.
 
Hmm... Izzy on Corrie is all I can come up with, and she's a woman. But I'm in Canada so I may be missing a few.



Time to watch Hot Fuzz again, I guess. I don't remember knowing Colman was in that, but I might not have been familiar with her at that point. Speaking of the cornetto trilogy, I'd've been okay with Tamsin Greig as the Doctor, too, though I always used to picture her as Bernice Summerfield. But Lisa Bowerman pretty much owns Benny now (oh, look, another Corrie connection).



No, people unironically using terms like SJW, cuck, PC, etc are annoying. Especially on a Trek board in a Doctor Who discussion. You're swimming in SJW political correctness when you watch those shows. It's a good thing.
To be honest I don't watch Corrie or soap in general, but they are the most likely place to find someone like that, I suppose.

Olivia Coleman's pay in Hot Fuzz is pretty small, but fun. She keeps using innuendo only to have another character just say 'tits' or 'cocks' or the like in response.

This whole thing is weird, it's like geek culture create a subculture that just hates everything.
 
You can see the star pattern in this one.

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She looks marvelous.
 
Offical response from the BBC:
That part:
As the Controller of BBC Drama has said, Jodie is not just a talented actor but she has a bold and brilliant vision for her Doctor. She aced it in her audition both technically and with the powerful female life force she brings to the role. She is destined to be an utterly iconic Doctor.
Before even reading that bit from BBC, it is why I am looking forward to the 13th Doctor. Given that there was probably a push, even within BBC, against changing the Doctor's gender, and the people involved in judging the audition were probably not without a bias, I thought – she must have killed at that audition to get the part. I was thinking about that yesterday, realizing she has already had her take on the Doctor's new personality, and that got me excited to see the new Doctor already. If episode 1 next year tops The Eleventh Hour...
 
I checked my cable box to see if Attack the Block was available and they already had Jodie's bio updated to reflect her being 13 and the first woman to Amy the Doctor. Good to know they're on the ball expensive as my bill is.
 
That's because she is not the Dcotor yet in that promo, not really. The clothes were probably chosen on the fly because it disguised her appearance until the reveal.
I like however how that outfit is gender neutral.
I would like something in that spirit for her hopefully more doctorish costume(s).

Now if the past were any indicator, shouldn't this costume be the last one for 12? I guess we
have to wait for Christmas for that answer.

Also to my eye those clothes look too big for her.
 
And now old white guys are expected, yet again, to roll over, at the risk of being called sexist.
Actually I am a middle-old white woman, but I still don’t like it. Which apparently makes me sexist and not emancipated at the same time.

I grew up in a country that no longer exists, where it was normal for women to work full hours, and do all kind of technical and industrial work. This was my daily life, it was not special or commented on. It was lived. They even got the same money for the same work as men. Imagine my surprise when the world changed in 1989 and I learnt that we still were talking about emancipation, a topic that for me belonged into the last century.

Before “Doctor Who”, I had been a huge “Stargate SG-1” fan. Arriving in the fandom I did not understand why Captain/Major/Colonel Carter was praised so much as a role model for little girls. In my eyes, she was just doing her job, like everyone else. They wouldn’t have gotten her for that secret mission if she wasn’t the best. Why does she need special praise for it?

So why do I not celebrate a female Doctor? I am trying to explain my feelings. I simply have no relationship with women. I have not one favorite female singer or actor. None. Zero. While I could rattle off a list of male singers and actors I consider myself a fan of.

I love watching ensemble shows like “Call the midwife”, that has like two men and at least a dozen women in good roles. I loved Catherine Tate as Donna, and I adored Olivia Colman in “Broadchurch”, but still I would never go and watch all their other works just because they are in it. Whereas at the moment I am making my way through the weirdest horror movies to see a glimpse of Sean Pertwee.

I don’t even have any sexual interest in those actors, I am asexual. Still I prefer watching them. And I will let nobody tell me what I have to like. I had 43 years to find out what I like and what I don’t. I’m pretty sure I know by now.

So having this new Doctor put right in front of my nose in an “eat or die” manner makes me not happy. If anyone thinks that the world needs more good content for women, yes I agree and please go out there and create it. But don’t invade existing things. I want to decide for myself whether I want to watch something or not. Not being pushed to do so. If it were a new show with a new character, we would be discussing the character and the acting, and not whether it was right or wrong to put her there in the first place. We wouldn’t have anything to compare it to. Can’t anyone see how that would be so much better?

Having their minds set on the get go that it had to be a woman – isn’t that the same like voting for Hillary just because she is a woman? A bit shallow.

You may say now that I always can stop watching if I don’t like it. Except I can’t. If you have invested years into a fandom, and lots of money into action figures, you don’t just stop. You struggle on, thinking you owe it to them, hoping for it to get better again. I struggled much with the last two Stargate seasons and was glad when it was finally over and I did not have to pretend anymore. This was also a case of too many changes so the original was not recognizable anymore, while it would have been better to have a fresh start with new characters and new fans.

Watching Who should be fun, not a chore. Life’s too short to do things you don’t like. I already struggled with the show in the past few years, trudging on, hoping the change would spark new interest in me. Sadly it doesn’t. So here I am, feeling meh, while everywhere I look people are rejoicing. I feel left out.

I am also afraid that no matter what they do, it will spark huge discussions. If they change the character to make her more compassionate, empathic, “female”, everyone will complain about clichés. If they carry on as before, everyone will ask why the need for change if it does not make any difference. They cannot win.

While I couldn't stand Clara's flirty relationship with Matt Smith, I loved her almost de facto babysitter role towards Peter Capaldi in his more absent-minded moments.
I hated the way she was always talking down to him. All this rapid fired “Listen-listen-listen”. He’s not a baby. It was grating on my nerves. If that is what a strong woman is written like, they are doing it wrong.

Carter (in the Stargate pilot) was written as a bitch at first as well, but then the actress went to the (male) writers and asked why she can’t be a woman and still likeable. And when the pilot was remastered ten years later, that one questionable line was gone.

I equally hated how the Doctor called Clara “fat” and “ugly”. What kind of role model is that giving to both young boys and girls? Boys will think it’s okay to say such things, and girls will think they are fat and ugly. Apparently I was the only one complaining about that at the time. And I was told this is British humor which I simply don’t get and that “me and my mates insult each other all the time”. Well, I rather not be friends with such a person, thank you very much.
 
Interesting opinion,
But it has one big fat (pardon the pun) assumption plastered over it.

That they went out of their way to cast a woman from the get go no matter what.
I haven't seen a single piece of evidence that men were never considered for the role or did not audition.
All we know is that women were obviously considered, as well at least and that apparently Jodie killed it in the audition.
And she had to audition, she was not handpicked over anyone else.

And even if they prefered a woman this time around, so what?
They still went with someone who is right and capable for the job.
Men had their turn 13 times now, and it's probably save to say women were not even asked to audition at least 12 of those times!
 
@Astra I'd say you probably weren't a fan of Donna in that first ep, but look how she grew.

I heard an interesting expression today, 'liquid modernity', the basic thrust of which (I think) seemed to be about how fast things change, and that it's gets harder and harder to adjust, as things move faster and we also age. Sooner or later, we get to a point where things can be overwhelming. Not all the same things at the same time, depends on a bunch of things. Point is, for some, this change is tough, a step too far, in a world that is already in constant change.

Anyway, as I've said in earlier posts, I will give her a chance, much as I did with Donna, for which I was amply rewarded. I personally think the real test of this series won't be the actor, but the writing. If they can get that right, this might be the best series we've had in 3-4 years.

Embrace change. It won't kill a single one of us.
 
Now if the past were any indicator, shouldn't this costume be the last one for 12? I guess we
have to wait for Christmas for that answer.

Also to my eye those clothes look too big for her.

Boobs.

I have tried to give my coat to cold women I have thought smaller than me on more than one occasion because I am a gentleman (and barely feel the cold) who did not become as comfortable as I expected.

They cut open the back of 5's cricket suit and stitched it back together with a patch to allow for 6's expanse. Years later, Timecrash, Pete was glad for the amendments.
 
I haven't seen a single piece of evidence that men were never considered for the role or did not audition.
I posted this in another thread but according to Chibnall:
"I always knew I wanted the Thirteenth Doctor to be a woman and we're thrilled to have secured our number one choice."
So it sounds to me like men weren't considered.
 
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