Not just the novels, remember the references to USS Entente in the movies (TMP, TSFS)?
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Weight classes of Federation starships - re-examined
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I think it was in The Empty Chair, Duane included a huge ship like that, but I can't remember if it was the same ship/class. Anyway, I remember a line that suggested it had a smaller lower saucer too.
I found that fascinating. Despite my thinking that saucers are overused in Federation designs, I'm curious what wacky new configurations would look like.
I accept the existence of the TOS battleship as canon, it appeared on monitors in the movies - but it's barely bigger than the Enterprise - the Kelvinverse ships dwarf both.
She seems mlre massive, as I recall.
I consider that to be within the scope of self-sufficiency. They did that networking with local powers themselves.
Yes, but the two only branch after the Nerada appears. The Kelvin was already in space at that point.
This was true of the missile boats, sure. The attack submarines, not so much. The Soviet Union spent more on its submarine force than on any other single part of its military, and the operational readiness of its attack fleet was not really in question, much as NATO wanted to think (and, weirdly, still wants to think) that it was.
The Soviet Union was a paper tiger in a lot of ways and was seriously defficient in a lot of capabilities. But its submarine force was NOT one of them; they spared no expense and went to every possible length to make sure those attack boats could fill the sea with torpedoes and missiles. Whatever else the Soviets did wrong, that was the one thing they absolutely got right. Of course, the enormous expense of the building and maintaining World's Greatest Submarine Fleet is a major part of what eventually bankrupted them, so there's some irony right there...
And? NATO couldn't deploy more than a third of its boats in the same period, and of the five American carriers on that list only two of them could really be operated at once. Sauce for the goose.
To be sure, Soviet Reactors were never as reliable as U.S. Navy reactors CLAIMED to be in propag... I mean, publicity media. Alot of the refits and maintenance overhauls of the Ohio and Los Angeles class fleets were actually cover for repair efforts made due to major reactor failures or incidents.
Sure. The Americans were building (relatively) slow, stealthy ships with glass jaws while the Soviets were building what were essentially submersible battle-cruisers. There's a great story from the 1980s about an American SSN captain who had a conversation with a congressman who told him American subs were so much quieter that they could sink their enemies before they even knew they were there. The American officer replied, "But he will know, as soon as our torpedo hits him. And then he'll turn around and kill us."
No it isn't. Not even close.
No, it was an alternate alternate universe to begin with.
Kelvin: 655m
D: 8"...er...642m
Because if the next Trek movie takes place on Sesame Street and Grover is the King of the Federation in the Excelsior Era, and they say it's the Original Prime Universe 001, it's an alternate universe in which that makes sense.
That's from an early size chart which listed the Enterprise at 1,200m. The final sizes were 457m for the Kelvin (her saucer is about 2x the diameter of the TOS Enterprise's) and 725m for the Enterprise.
Simon Pegg's comments prior to the release of Star Trek Beyond, as well as the latest Star Trek Encyclopedia.
I'm pretty sure the change in stance is due to Discovery, and now 2 seperate creative teams furthering Trek's 23rd century. This way, the Kelvin movie guys don't have to worry about where the USS Discovery, Captain Lorca or Klingon sarcophagus ships fit into their universe and the DSC people don't have to worry about where the USS Franklin or Admiral Marcus fit into theirs.
I'm well aware of Pegg's theory, but that's all it is. A theory.
He's not writing DSC, or (if it is still a thing) ST4. Until he does so, then his comments carry no more weight than ours do.
He's not writing DSC, or (if it is still a thing) ST4. Until he does so, then his comments carry no more weight than ours do.
Well, he did write Beyond so if his "theory" applies for the Franklin than it must apply for the Kelvin also.
But none of that theory came out in the film. Pegg can speculate all he likes, but it doesn't mean jackshit until a film or series gets written that puts the theory into practice, so to speak.
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No it wasn't.
Longer ≠ larger. Even at 642 meters (which I still think could be accurate) The Enterprise-D has almost three times the Kelvin's internal volume, and a larger portion of Kelvin's mass is that huge warp nacelle under the saucer.
Incidentally, the NuEnterprise isn't even larger than the -D. It's almost a hundred meters LONGER, but two fifths of that length is actually the extension of its also-enormous warp nacelles. Again measuring by volume, the NuEnterprise roughly the same size as the Enterprise-C, and far less of that volume is actually habitable.
Headcanon is fine, knock yourself out. Nonetheless, that's all your opinion is and there really is no confusion as to what is being portrayed, the two timelines branch at the point the Nerada comes through the black hole.
You having your own take on that is entirely your prerogative, going online and insisting that take overrules the official position is, well, a little egocentric to say the least.
Oh, really? Because I thought that everything I said on the internet was backed true by papal order. That said, my regards to your nu King Grover.
1) I wonder where the different numbers are derived from? Were the initial numbers more accurate to the models, then changed because of fan feedback?
2) I thought of volume as well as length from the start. All those ships/stations pre-divergence are/still far too big.
