Alex Kurtzman: 'Star Trek: Discovery' Will Spark Debate And Adhere To Canon

[Tuskin38]

I can give you a long list. First lets ignore the timelines and the fluff. Lets just go on what we see in this image
1: Its clear they are of the same ship linage, they bear a number of shared features. So one will be older

2:The basic shapes, the TOS has very basic and rather primitive shapes, its a piedish on top a trashcan, with two tubes linked with straight construction like pylons. Very workmen like and lacking any styling. Its a Model -t. If you look at the NX, you see far more advanced hull shapes. The lines flow into each other and have a far more advanced styling and look. More like a corvette

3: HUll plating: On the TOS design we see far less detail, its also painted white. The NX has far more detailed and extensive hull detail and plating. Which makes the TOS design seem more primitive, because the TOS does not give off a"iphone" sleekness,but more a walki-talki blockness. its just looks like older, larger plants with less detail

4:The Nacelles. Of the two the NX looks newer and more advanced. The TOs Nacelles are duller, which look like its faded or lacking power. They also lack anything on the side, the TOS ship simply have a more pramative metal tube shape.

5: The windows: The TOS ship has larger and more office building windows, where the NX looks more modern.

6: The deflector dish. The TOS ship has a dull old fashioned dish, like I saw in some yards growing up man. The NX has a high detailed shaped dish, it looks more modern and more advanced.

You can go on and one about a dozen other details, but the TOS ship will always look older, because it is. That was the first designed ST ship, the very first other used as a base for style, so all ships that came after it look newer because they are a refinement of the star trek model T

We have an entire thread dedicated to this argument over the Ent sub-forum.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

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[cultcross]

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[Mirror Mirror]

I was asked in this thread. What another thread says is frankly irrelevant as he asked why I thought x.


I will take a look in the other sub fourm though.

 

[Tuskin38]

Oh sorry, I wasn't trying to say you couldn't discuss it here, I was just pointing out that we do have one.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Oh sorry, I wasn't trying to say you couldn't discuss it here, I was just pointing out that we do have one.

Ah got ya , sorry. A few folks here, as you may have noticed love to name call if you disagree with their views. Sorry I took it the wrong way.

 

[BillJ]

Ah got ya , sorry. A few folks here, as you may have noticed love to name call if you disagree with their views. Sorry I took it the wrong way.

Who exactly has name called? The mods are pretty good about shutting that stuff down.

 

[Kor]

A new news article has been published at TrekToday:

Star Trek: Discovery Executive Producer Alex Kurtzman had words of encouragement for fans a bit nervous about the new Star Trek series....

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Thanks for this. You always post the most informative links. Keep up the good work.

Kurtzman does seem to be presenting a voice of reason here. I wish everybody would just take a deep breath and wait and see how ST-DIS plays out.

Kor

 

[Vger23]

Thanks for this. You always post the most informative links. Keep up the good work.

Kurtzman does seem to be presenting a voice of reason here. I wish everybody would just take a deep breath and wait and see how ST-DIS plays out.

Kor

Amen!

Trek fans would make a fascinating psychological / sociological experiment, wouldn't they? I mean, how many people are really just purposefully setting "low expectations" to try and avoid disappointment and heartbreak right now? It's painfully obvious that most of the "hate" is actually driven by anxiety.

 

[Refuge]

If you're a fan you've invested some of yourself into this whole other world. Some of the anxiety is the loyalty we have to previous shows, we don't want that compromised. When it comes down to it most of us will be on board because Discovery will take on its own living identity.

 

[{ Emilia }]

Some of the anxiety is the loyalty we have to previous shows, we don't want that compromised.

I have it on good authority that the old shows will not cease to exist and can still be enjoyed when Discovery is out. I don't see how they'd be compromised.
If somebody doesn't like the new show: Don't watch it, enjoy the old stuff. Nothing has changed for that person.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I have it on good authority that the old shows will not cease to exist and can still be enjoyed when Discovery is out. I don't see how they'd be compromised.
If somebody doesn't like the new show: Don't watch it, enjoy the old stuff. Nothing has changed for that person.

Maybe. But I'm investigating ways to protect my copies from the coming reality shift.

 

[Christopher]

Couldn't agree more! Anything they say is canon is in fact canon. Ive never said otherwise. They can make whatever changes they like. They can say Kirk and Spock served in the 2150s on the NX-01 and 110 years later, a heroic new crew on the 1701 Enterprise led by Archer and T'Pol continued the saga!

But they won't. That's a straw man. It's been made clear that the show is consistent with the events of TOS and the Prime continuity. They have merely changed the look of certain things. It's illegitimate to treat those as equivalent. If a new production of a Shakespeare play updates the costume and set designs, that does not constitute rewriting the play. Those are two different categories of change. Discovery is changing the style of the Prime universe, not the substance. (And yes, Star Trek is a series of plays. TV scripts are called "teleplays" for a reason.)

Would that be canon if they said it was? Yes. Would subsequent creators have to acknowledge that? Yes. Is it a discontinuity? Yes. LOL. Obviously.

It is a discontinuity in design, yes. It is not an alternate universe. You're mistaking the surface for the substance.

But as you tried to argue earlier however, it seems to be a matter of certain disagreement about what exactly it is about the Prime continuity is subject to change w/o it being too much to still be Prime. Could new Vulcans have red scaly skin, green horns, purple hair, pink blood and fart glitter?

Also a total straw man. The differences in these new Klingons are differences in detail, not basic forms. They still have complex head ridges and dark skin. They still have essentially Klingon features, just in a different style -- in the same way that the Andorians of TOS, TMP, TNG, and ENT have very different styles of antennae, but they all still have antennae.
Sure, these Klingons lack hair and have wildly different costumes, but -- news flash -- people can cut their hair and change their clothes.

What if in addition to that, they hated Logic. Is that enough to cross the line?

Again, you're confusing changes in style with changes in substance. Nothing we've seen indicates that these Klingons will not be recognizably Klingon in their attitudes and culture.

I don't see what's wrong with the idea of doing something that looks new but still feels familiar.

Nothing's wrong with that. It's been done before, in many cases. But that doesn't mean everyone has to do it that way. These guys are trying something different, as is their prerogative as artists. Creativity is not about "right" and "wrong," it's about trying different things and taking chances. It's not about following a formula and checking off boxes, it's about experimentation and, well, discovery.

Does anyone think these new looking Klingons stand a chance to make the same impact as the older looking Klingons?

That's a premature question to ask when we've only seen a few glimpses out of context. We'll know when we see the show. Anyway, it's pretty bizarre to suggest that the impact of the Klingons is exclusively a function of how they look. If they act like Klingons, if they feel like Klingons, then we'll get over the superficial change in their appearance.

It's the same interview. But it shows the context better. He doesn't want to talk about plot spoilers but instead he talks about the writing process where they are adhering to "a timeline."

And it's worth keeping in mind that "timeline" doesn't just mean "one of various alternate realities." In the original sense of the word, a timeline is merely a chronological sequence of events, a sort of one-dimensional map of what happens when and in what order. So Kurtzman could be talking about "the timeline" in terms of what 23rd-century events happen when -- where this show falls relative to "The Cage" and TOS, what characters like Spock and Sarek and Mudd and whoever would plausibly be doing at this point in their lives, etc.

 

[cylkoth]

Nerys Myk
Maybe. But I'm investigating ways to protect my copies from the coming reality shift.

I know a Ferengi who knows a guy, whose third cousin's ex wife's best friend's hair dresser, can get their hands on an extra dimensional quantum stasis field generator, dirt cheap...

 

[Nerys Myk]

And it's worth keeping in mind that "timeline" doesn't just mean "one of various alternate realities." In the original sense of the word, a timeline is merely a chronological sequence of events, a sort of one-dimensional map of what happens when and in what order. So Kurtzman could be talking about "the timeline" in terms of what 23rd-century events happen when -- where this show falls relative to "The Cage" and TOS, what characters like Spock and Sarek and Mudd and whoever would plausibly be doing at this point in their lives, etc.

Excellent point.

 

[Nerys Myk]

^ I know a Ferengi who knows a guy, whose third cousin's ex wife's best friend's hair dresser, can get their hands on an extra dimensional quantum stasis field generator, dirt cheap...

What's his number?

 

[fireproof78]

If you're a fan you've invested some of yourself into this whole other world. Some of the anxiety is the loyalty we have to previous shows, we don't want that compromised. When it comes down to it most of us will be on board because Discovery will take on its own living identity.

Speaking for myself, I have no anxiety about this fictional world or feel a sense of loyalty. I enjoy Star Trek as entertainment-period. As Entertainment, Star Trek has always varied in quality, and consistency, and Discovery is no different. The only difference, is now there is 50 plus years of microscopic layer peeling that must be endured.

I have it on good authority that the old shows will not cease to exist and can still be enjoyed when Discovery is out. I don't see how they'd be compromised.
If somebody doesn't like the new show: Don't watch it, enjoy the old stuff. Nothing has changed for that person.

Need to invest in that parallel dimension back up drive.

 

[Refuge]

Speaking for myself, I have no anxiety about this fictional world or feel a sense of loyalty. I enjoy Star Trek as entertainment-period. As Entertainment, Star Trek has always varied in quality, and consistency, and Discovery is no different. The only difference, is now there is 50 plus years of microscopic layer peeling that must be endured.

That's good. Some people will see it as stand alone and others will draw connections and question whether continuity will support.. you know.... canon. Let's be honest Discovery is not stand alone, it can still be great, but it set its stage in reference to ten years before the Enterprise.

 

[fireproof78]

That's good. Some people will see it as stand alone and others will draw connections and question whether continuity will support.. you know.... canon. Let's be honest Discovery is not stand alone, it can still be great, but it set its stage in reference to ten years before the Enterprise.

And I have a gut instinct that its going to fit a lot better than it will ever be given credit for.

 

[Refuge]

And I have a gut instinct that its going to fit a lot better than it will ever be given credit for.

I think it'll be all right. I've possibly been a little critical.. but only speaking for myself, it's like I'm exhausted.. out. I want to see it now and what I was trying to convey earlier, Discovery will have an identity and 'world' of its own. We'll be won over. It's a good direction to have some Star Trek, I've missed it.