Kelvin Timeline all but confirmed
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I'm just sayin, yo
I guarantee you someone wants it to fail.
Whatever you're "sayin" ain't making a whole lot of sense, is all I'm saying.I'm just sayin, yo
The ship is called "Discovery" not "Enterprise", Genedammit!How dare we evaluate the statements of the person in charge of the entire enterprise!
How often do you smile? Or laugh?
I guess their might be some who want it to fail but I doubt they are in the majority. I can see many being cynical but i'm not sure if that is the same thing. I personally think the only group of people who really want it to flop is the "fake fans" who are outraged over things like having a black female lead. I'm not sure if some of those people have ever watched even a single episode of Trek in their entire lives.
Jason
I doubt they are the majority as well, but I'll not doubt their fandom. There are fans who are out there who have only watched TOS, and that's what they prefer. TNG and later just isn't on their later or desire to watch.
I know many who wanted Abrams Trek to fail who could hardly be described as "fake fans" so I'll disagree on that premise.
I doubt they are the majority as well, but I'll not doubt their fandom. There are fans who are out there who have only watched TOS, and that's what they prefer. TNG and later just isn't on their later or desire to watch.
I know many who wanted Abrams Trek to fail who could hardly be described as "fake fans" so I'll disagree on that premise.
Didn't a lot of people though who disliked the Abrams movies, end up liking the third one? That I admit is something I never really understood. The third movie felt pretty much like the first 2 movies so I am not seeing why some would like it and hate the first 2? I personally enjoyed all 3 just about equally.
I can see how the new look might be a issue with people who only like TOS but then again some of the complaints are towards the Klingons yet that issue is they don't look like the 24th century versions.
I wonder if their is a majority view at this point and everyone is going of a gut instinct. I think that is where I think I am at the moment. The creators say Prime but the teaser says Kelvin Universe and you toss in the fact that we don't know what the creators concept of a prime universe is or that we don't have any visual proof other than a 2 minute teaser and a few photos makes it seem anything is possible at this moment.
Jason
You're missing the point. He's talking about the process of how they're going to be consistent with the timeline BECAUSE he doesn't want to talk about plot spoilers. Pretty simple. Process of writing versus Actual plot spoilers.
You need to look at the totality of what they've said in interviews and not get hung up on the word "a" in "a timeline." They've been quite clear that this is the Prime timeline 10 years before TOS.
I don't know, but it sure seems important to you that it's not the Prime timeline.
I didn't like the first two, but I felt that Beyond made better use of the characters and continuity. The cast worked better together and every character was written in a way that I thought meshed better with their TOS counterpart. I preferred the way that Beyond referenced previous Trek. Referencing Enterprise, in particular, worked a lot better than rehashing TWOK, and I believe it has less severe plot holes than the first two films.
There were also some subtle changes to the Enterprise, such as the lighting of the sets, that made it feel a bit more traditional, and I loved almost everything about the USS Franklin. The music was fantastic as always, Starbase Yorktown was far more visually interesting than seeing Earth again, and as an added bonus, we got to see the reviled (by many, though not everyone) Ryan Church Enterprise destroyed in the first act.
I know but I still wonder what "Prime" means to them. For example I know their are some TOS fans who don't like the Berman stuff so for them the prime universe doesn't include TNG,DS9 and Voyager.
Their is also the issue of not just what they say but why are they saying it. 10 years before Kirk,Spock and the Enterprise is something that is easy to digest that even casual fans can understand.
People who never seen Trek before at least are familiar with those terms. That's kind of like how the Kelvin Universe was sold as a prequel more than as a alternate timeline created by time travel to casual fans. I'm sure their are even some casual fans who think the Kelvin Universe IS part of the prime universe or think it erased the prime universe because of the time travel.
Prime can mean multiple things. It can mean that it is literally supose to be part of the same universe of all the other shows. It can be used as a term to simply separate it from the Kelvin Universe. It can also be used as bait to win over older fans who didn't like the new movies or are afraid of a remake. Basically the same guys who needed it established in the movie that the old shows weren't erased because of time travel changes.
Trek might be a fictional universe but people like to think of it as a real place in our minds. It's important to people and some might think that is dumb but to me it isn't all that different than a sports fan getting really emotionally invested in how his/her favorite sports teams is doing. I've seen people cry when their team doesn't win. We Trek fans simple take our issues to the internet through complaining,celebrating,fan wanking or creating head canon. Right now I am fan wanking. Once the show gets started that is when the other stuff starts to happen.
Jason
Jason
As professionals, I hope they don't indulge in such fannish attitudes.
I'll not understand this. As much as I enjoyed Beyond and felt it did very well, I thought that ST 09 and ID had much more heart and carried some very weighty themes that I found very meaningful. to me. I thoroughly enjoyed the plots and stories, and felt the themes carried over from film to film, and culminated in Beyond. My only gripe is with Spock, because I think its ridiculous that he and Uhura split up. Some issed opportunities across all three films, but I certainly appreciated the visual styling. Loved all the design work, and concept art.
I do agree that Starbase Yorktown was fantastic and well done visual, that I honestly wished he had more of across the three films.
Finally, I do not understand the revulsion towards Church's design. It may not be everyone's cup of tea, but I never cared for the Ent-D, but I certainly wasn't cheering when it crashed in GEN. Anymore than I was happy to see Nero die, or Khan die, or anything like that. It all took on a very tragic air to me. In Beyond it also felt very thematic to Kirk's growth as a captain, and reflecing upon what his dad might have been.
YMMV
They just indicated that they were going to be very consistent!
Don't get me wrong, I almost teared up in the theater when it was destroyed (as one probably is intended to when a beloved character/ship dies), but I was never a fan of that design. And I'm sure I'd appreciate the first two films a lot more if I went back and watched them again with an open mind. I think maybe it just took me a long time to get used to the new Star Trek, and once I had I could fully enjoy it.I'll not understand this. As much as I enjoyed Beyond and felt it did very well, I thought that ST 09 and ID had much more heart and carried some very weighty themes that I found very meaningful. to me. I thoroughly enjoyed the plots and stories, and felt the themes carried over from film to film, and culminated in Beyond. My only gripe is with Spock, because I think its ridiculous that he and Uhura split up. Some issed opportunities across all three films, but I certainly appreciated the visual styling. Loved all the design work, and concept art.
I do agree that Starbase Yorktown was fantastic and well done visual, that I honestly wished he had more of across the three films.
Finally, I do not understand the revulsion towards Church's design. It may not be everyone's cup of tea, but I never cared for the Ent-D, but I certainly wasn't cheering when it crashed in GEN. Anymore than I was happy to see Nero die, or Khan die, or anything like that. It all took on a very tragic air to me. In Beyond it also felt very thematic to Kirk's growth as a captain, and reflecing upon what his dad might have been.
YMMV
Consistent can also be a vague term. Some would say the new looking Klingons aren't very consistent while others might see it as a needed upgrade in their looks. Others might want some minor changes to them instead of a major overhaul.
You can say the Kelvin Universe also was consistent because it had all the TOS characters in the movies with their same jobs and Spock still has pointy years and the Enterprise has a sauser section and the movies had Pike and Khan and Carol Marcus in it. You didn't see huge changes like Kirk is now a female and Vulcans are now green and changes of that nature where they are radically changing the entire concept from what it was in "TOS."
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