Kelvin Timeline all but confirmed

[Mirror Mirror]

But why can't it look like a show filmed half a century ago on a budget comparable to the caterering budgets for modern shows? They won't look laughably absurd to modern audiences.

Because it will look old and dated. TOS looks like any other show made 50 years ago. If you remade gunsmoke of Bonanza it would not look the same. Look at how westerns changed by the 70's. You would get something far closer to deadwood in look than Bonanza.

TOS looks old, the tech screams 1960's, the ships look 1960's the cloths look 1960's. It will always look old, because it is old.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

It would beat Faith of the Heart.

You beat me to it...

Although I was going to say:
The Beastie Boys would be better than the Enterprise theme sung by that guy who sounded almost, but not quite entirely, unlike Bryan Adams.

 

[JD]

I know Kurtzman doesn't say the word Prime in the new interview, but I think the fact that he specifically refers to direct connections to TOS makes it pretty clear that's what he's talking about.

 

[Mr Awe]

But why can't it look like a show filmed half a century ago on a budget comparable to the caterering budgets for modern shows? They won't look laughably absurd to modern audiences.

The key reason is that because they wouldn't have any money for the catering because they would've used that money on the show itself. Without a good catering company, no one is going to be happy and the show will be made half-assed. Good productions aren't made without good food! Got to keep the crew happy!

 

[Prax]

100 pages and I don't think anyone has suggested Discovery should look like it was filmed in the 60's, but 5 straw men are shot to death every day.

 

[fireproof78]

100 pages and I don't think anyone has suggested Discovery should look like it was filmed in the 60's, but 5 straw men are shot to death every day.

Pretty sure I've seen arguments for the uniforms and computers and aesthetic to reflect that though.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

There's also the fact that he says:
"Without spoiling anything we are adhering to a timeline"
So in the past they openly said it's Prime, now the timeline is some kind of spoiler? I don't think things are quite as simple as everyone assumed based on Fuller's statement.

You can't spoil something that's already generally known by talking about it, is all that quote means.

 

[Jayson1]

My take from the interview is that "a timeline" is them saying it will be a third timeline but one that will be internally consistent with it's own canon and one that feels more connected to the spirit of the Prime Universe, especially in regards to "TOS." Something that many don't feel the Kelvin Universe, did.

It's almost like he is not so much wanting people to think it is in the Prime Universe as he is wanting people to really, really know that it's not in the Kelvin Universe and they aren't connected to the new movies at least in terms of story content.

Jason

 

[captainkirk]

You can't spoil something that's already generally known by talking about it, is all that quote means.

That doesn't sound like what he's saying. If that's what he meant, he would have said something like, "Like Bryan Fuller revealed last year, we are adhering to the Prime-timeline."

 

[Mirror Mirror]

My take from the interview is that "a timeline" is them saying it will be a third timeline but one that will be internally consistent with it's own canon and one that feels more connected to the spirit of the Prime Universe, especially in regards to "TOS." Something that many don't feel the Kelvin Universe, did.

It's almost like he is not so much wanting people to think it is in the Prime Universe as he is wanting people to really, really know that it's not in the Kelvin Universe and they aren't connected to the new movies at least in terms of story content.

Jason

This is counter to everything they have said. Its been reported this is the prime timeline, set ten years before TOS. Its the same setting, You guys are gonna have to accept reality

 

[captainkirk]

This is counter to everything they have said. Its been reported this is the prime timeline, set ten years before TOS. Its the same setting, You guys are gonna have to accept reality

Actually it was 10 years before Kirk, Spock, and the Enterprise. That could be either timeline.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

Actually it was 10 years before Kirk, Spock, and the Enterprise. That could be either timeline.

No, it has been stated pure out its ten years before TOS. Its the prime timeline.

 

[captainkirk]

No, it has been stated pure out its ten years before TOS. Its the prime timeline.

I can't remember them specifically stating that it's 10 years before TOS. And even if they did, that means nothing. ST09 was set 110 years before TNG, but just not in the same timeline.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

I can't remember them specifically stating that it's 10 years before TOS. And even if they did, that means nothing. ST09 was set 110 years before TNG, but just not in the same timeline.

It was in the EW mag. They pure out gave it as ten years before the start of TOS. Its not Kelvin, its prime as we have been told over and over.

 

[Jayson1]

This is counter to everything they have said. Its been reported this is the prime timeline, set ten years before TOS. Its the same setting, You guys are gonna have to accept reality

But is that 10 years going to be literally or conceptually? 10 years before Kirk,Spock and the Enterprise could simply be 10 years before another version of Kirk,Spock and the Enterprise. Kelvin Universe had those things as well and it's not considered to be part of the prime universe.

I'm sure the show is going to feel very respectful to what has come before but that doesn't mean it won't also feel separate from it as well, to point were it won't really fit if we want to pretend it's all happening in the same universe which is really the only thing at stake in these canon arguments.

Are we going to be able to pretend their is a connection or are we going to have to pretend it's a new universe like the Kelvin Universe. It was easier to pretend with the Berman era stuff because you had tons of crossovers in both tech and characters and ships and writers. This will be more of a stretch to buy into and it still might not be enough.

Jason

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Actually it was 10 years before Kirk, Spock, and the Enterprise. That could be either timeline.

No, because the divergence occurred 20 years *before* DSC takes place.

 

[Tuskin38]

I've honestly changed my opinion on this.

Does it matter? It is star trek.

I honestly don't care what universe it is set in.

 

[BillJ]

I'll post here what I posted on Facebook...

Obviously there were going to be changes. Tech has changed too much in the last fifty-plus years for it to be otherwise. I would've appreciated if the aesthetic was more in line with TOS, but it is what it is.

It is funny, for all the changes in look, the thing that bothers me the most are the TNG style rank pips on the badges. I could probably live with it being "Prime" if not for that detail. Yes, I know I'm insane.

 

[cultcross]

Of course, Enterprise had pips, so there's even precedent for that...

Although I remember the forum kicking off over it.

 

[BillJ]

Of course, Enterprise had pips, so there's even precedent for that...

But they had rank stripes in "The Cage", which Discovery is supposed to be current with. A hundred years prior gave them wiggle room that they really don't have being current with a prior production.

Again, I'm not doubting that I'm insane. But it is a sticking point for me in regards to it being "Prime".

The devil is in the details.