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The New USS Discovery....

Today it may be hip to flaunt the latest trade name of a recording gadget, but that doesn't explain either the use of "tape" in Trek or the use of "isolinear chip". I mean, the former doesn't fit the pattern of the immediate today but is perfectly excusable in the long run. But the latter is a mouthful and an unrealistic way for language to be used by military professionals: they aren't entitled to being hip, and OTOH they should be unconcerned with the medium because if it's portable, it's always "isolinear chip" which thus becomes redundantly redundant...

Timo Saloniemi
 
And after all this time and brouhaha we still don't have a clear picture of the ship. :guffaw:

I'm just hoping it doesn't end up resembling a few saucers and flashlights strung together with dental floss.
 
And after all this time and brouhaha we still don't have a clear picture of the ship. :guffaw:

I'm just hoping it doesn't end up resembling a few saucers and flashlights strung together with dental floss.

I typed "saucers and flashlights and dental floss" into google and was fairly disappointed. Mainly pics of any of those items on their own, but I did find this floss "dispenser"

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I typed "saucers and flashlights and dental floss" into google and was fairly disappointed. Mainly pics of any of those items on their own, but I did find this floss "dispenser"

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If you place it horizontally, the legs are the warp nacellles and the tail is some sort of beam emitter. The dental floss is actually a high strength carbon nano-tube holding a private pod for the Captain and his female yeoman.
 
If you place it horizontally, the legs are the warp nacellles and the tail is some sort of beam emitter. The dental floss is actually a high strength carbon nano-tube holding a private pod for the Captain and his female yeoman.

It's actually what Harry Mudd sells the crew of the Discovery then flees, forcing Lorca to scorch every planet if he has to until he finds Mudd.
 
I typed "saucers and flashlights and dental floss" into google and was fairly disappointed. Mainly pics of any of those items on their own, but I did find this floss "dispenser"

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Quite sadly, this mirrors my real life when my puppy chews apart her rope chew toy and can't quite poop it out... Sigh.... Though I am not bare-handed when I offer her an assist... Bleagh!!!
 
Unseen tech is more advanced; technology gets smaller. What kind of antenna does your smart phone have now? Remember when cell phones had small antennas? Remember back when mobile phones had large antennas? How many phones have battery packs now? Or removable SIM cards? If I try to open my phone, I've destroyed it. It's a sealed unit. When I get a new phone, I can wirelessly transmit contacts and media from old to new. Consider the TOS data storage card. Looks like a cheap square of thick plastic, no external details. No user interface, no visible antenna, no battery pack, not even a USB port. It's the cell phone version of the floppy disk. When our smart phones look nothing more than a pane of bendable glass, will we say our old flip phones were more advanced because they looked like technology? They had buttons, and moveable parts—that's an indicator of high tech? No.

When I see TOS, I see tech that is higher than TNG, because we don't see discernible technology festooned upon the hull. We don't see hatches, we don't see antennas or sensors, we don't see reaction control thrusters. In and of itself, we must surmise it's technology has advanced well beyond our understanding.

Then came Star Wars and the great greebling, and if you weren't cluttering your hulls, you weren't keeping up with the direction the art was going. When TMP came out, they had to redesign the Enterprise to reflect expectations, and dumbed down the tech in the process. Same with TNG.

The NX-01, no matter what it looks like, we know it's not as advanced as the TOS Constitution class. I think it looks appropriate. What doesn't fit to me, is everything that came after TOS.

Both yes AND no.
Regarding consumer tech, you are 100% right. For them, "less" detail almost always equals "more advanced". For professional/military tech not so much. That shit has to be robust first and foremost. A modern, current-day portable military radio station has a string phone and big antennas. Why? Because it has to work in the mud and be easily repairable.

I always thought the bigger TOS-communicator was way more realistic as military tech - precisely because it was big and clunky and didn't have many extra-functions. It was a big thing, deigned to work under the harshest circumstances, with the biggest performance possible (call a starship a few planets away through the radiation belt, without any cellphone-tower structure to help).

The little TNG-era communicators (the little deltas on the uniforms) always seemed more like consumer products for me. They were entirely dependant on voice control, easy to loose, and definitely "form over function".

But since "Star Trek" itself isn't necessarily "real" tech, but a consumer product itself (entertainment), your point 100% stands correct;)
 
For professional/military tech not so much. That shit has to be robust first and foremost. A modern, current-day portable military radio station has a string phone and big antennas. Why? Because it has to work in the mud and be easily repairable.

I always thought the bigger TOS-communicator was way more realistic as military tech - precisely because it was big and clunky and didn't have many extra-functions. It was a big thing, deigned to work under the harshest circumstances, with the biggest performance possible (call a starship a few planets away through the radiation belt, without any cellphone-tower structure to help).

But I thought Starfleet isn't military. ;)
 
...Has the term "tape" gone out of fashion? I doubt any sort of tape or other reelable material has been involved in recording whatever President Trump had to say to people he shouldn't have been speaking with, but I also doubt there will be a single newspaper or other news medium opting for a term other than "tape" to describe those recordings-in-potentia.

I trust people will still be saying "tape" long after they have stopped saying "turnpike" for that thing that never turns and has no pikes. Will that extend to the 2260s? Considering how other 20th century phenomena were faring in the TOS take of that era... no doubt! But ITRW, it's not unlikely, either (regardless of whether recordings at that day and age even involve a "medium" at a conceptual level, never mind what the nature of that medium).

Timo Saloniemi
I still find myself occasionally saying "We need to tape that show" when I'm really talking about using the DVR. I do usually say "record that show" or "set the DVR", but I also catch myself saying "tape".

But I'm 50+ years old. Between senility and old habits being hard to break, what do you expect from me?

People still "hang up" their mobiles...
Many people still say "dial" the phone, too. Phones stopped having dials even long before mobile phones came on the scene.

Does anyone still say "turn the channel" on the TV, evoking back to the days when TV channels were on a dial that was turned? Or is it now almost always "change the channel"?

People still say "turn on/off the lights", which probably has something to do with the very old method of switching on a light that used a dial-like controller on the wall that would be "turned" rather than a wall switch (but that was a long time ago) -- but I think it still logically applies today because many table or floor lamps employ a knob that needs to be turned.

By the way (and slightly OT), my mother, whose first language is Greek, says "close the light" rather than "turn off the light". I though this was just a quirk unique to her and the way she learned English until I read that many people for whom English is not their first language say "close the light" because the direct translation to their native language for deactivating the lights is "close".
 
Quite sadly, this mirrors my real life when my puppy chews apart her rope chew toy and can't quite poop it out... Sigh.... Though I am not bare-handed when I offer her an assist... Bleagh!!!

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Personally, I would rather a TOS Connie look more like this
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Its a bit dark, and I would lighten it more personally, but its a good mix and closer to what comes later.

That's genuinely awful. Church's and the new Hargreaves' designs are a million times better.
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I've never been fond of the Koerner Enterprise. It strips down all the best elements of the ship, the smooth hull and clean lines just to replace them with unessential detailing; particularly on the secondary hull.

I quite like more detailed and rough ships - really digging the Shenzhou - but that's a new design and clearly supposed to be more rough round the edges than Kirk's era.
 
I don't think much of the Hargreaves' redesign at all - it's a clumsy, hasty-looking variation on the Church version that isn't distinct enough to be clearly its own thing, while just futzing up some of the lines and balance of the Church design without improving it.
 
Personally, I would rather a TOS Connie look more like this
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Its a bit dark, and I would lighten it more personally, but its a good mix and closer to what comes later.
You know, when I first saw this image I didn't think much of it at all. The very thought even of trying to update TOS Enterprise made me nauseous. Then a few years later I saw the JJ Prise and thought this would have been waaaay better.

Church's and the new Hargreaves' designs are a million times better.
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Hargreaves made it even uglier.
 
You know, when I first saw this image I didn't think much of it at all. The very thought even of trying to update TOS Enterprise made me nauseous. Then a few years later I saw the JJ Prise and thought this would have been waaaay better.



Hargreaves made it even uglier.


Its the neck and pylons for me. Its just placed wrong and the pylons tried and failed to look sleek. Its like chicken drumsticks.
 
I've never been fond of the Koerner Enterprise. It strips down all the best elements of the ship, the smooth hull and clean lines just to replace them with unessential detailing; particularly on the secondary hull.

I quite like more detailed and rough ships - really digging the Shenzhou - but that's a new design and clearly supposed to be more rough round the edges than Kirk's era.


See this to me is smooth hull with clean lines. Its not rough or chunky, I do not find the TOS version to have clean lines, its just clunky to me.
 
I trust people will still be saying "tape" long after they have stopped saying "turnpike" for that thing that never turns and has no pikes.
I can't say I've ever said turnpike, that's a very archaic term. So I guess that's correct ;)
 
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