Kelvin Timeline all but confirmed

[BillJ]

There are individual posters on both sides of the issue that are sensitive. You seem to be sensitive to the issue yourself.

Actually, I've posted on these vary forums that I plan on watching regardless of official timeline. After seeing the trailer, I decided to treat it as a reboot. I haven't told anyone else how they should be treating the series.

 

[JD]

In fairness, there are are other way more cringe-worthy moments in JJTrek. Scotty's Star Wars pet for one.

Ok, this bugs me, I thought it was clear the Keenser was his sidekick, not his pet and I honestly find it a bit rude to call him a pet.

 

[Tuskin38]

Ok, this bugs me, I thought it was clear the Keenser was his sidekick, not his pet and I honestly find it a bit rude to call him a pet.

You put the wrong name in that quote. I never said that lmao

 

[Kevin Wolff]

Ok, this bugs me, I thought it was clear the Keenser was his sidekick, not his pet and I honestly find it a bit rude to call him a pet.

@Tuskin38 didn't say that, I did. Please check your quotes especially when you are responding in the negative.
Scotty fed him, scolded him, and ordered him off the furniture. Sounds like a pet to me. And calling him a sidekick isn't much better. The point is he was written this way.

 

[Mr. Nova]

The Defiant was from the Prime timeline, but was shown to have crossed universes. I'm struggling for any other reference that specifically locks Enterprise into continuity with the rest of the Prime timeline.

The presence of the Borg could indicate that Enterprise exists in an altered timeline created by the Borg interference in the 21st century.

I think one could make the case of Enterprise existing as part of the Prime timeline, or its own created by the Borg interference.

The much-despised "These Are The Voyages" ENT finale firmly places ENT in the Prime timeline. The episode was actually a TNG episode about ENT's final voyage.

 

[CorporalClegg]

About the Star Wars "gibberish," it's important to note that, at least in terms of practical usability, both Huttese and Mandoa are quickly approaching Klingon in terms of grammar, syntax, and general vocabulary. Really, the only thing that separates them is Klingon is recognized on and "official" or academic level while the others are not. But I expect that to change within the next ten years or so, especially with the full weight of The Mouse.

 

[Mr. Nova]

If I were to guess, we may have had a hidden clue to this mystery in the episode "Who Watches the Watchers" when we see a planet full of "Proto Vulcans" who curiously had a similar kind of ridges that the Romulans were given. My take on that, is, that the Romulans may have been a parallel offshoot of the Vulcan race that can trace a common evolutionary lineage. Much like if modern humans still shared space on Earth with cousins Homo Erectus or Homo Habilis. Perhaps that other species was persecuted to the point of rebellion and secession during Vulcan's warlike period that Spock mentioned and Enterprise expanded upon.

We saw an ironically similar interaction between Romulans and Remans in Nemesis, the latter being completely subservient to the former until Shinzon's rebellion began. One wonders if they also somehow share some odd lineage commonalities as well, or may have been the original inhabitants of that star system that were subjugated by the Romulans when they arrived. In any case, Romulans may be simply a branch of the Vulcans greater genetic tree (as opposed to some aggressive political faction of the same evolutionary strain, like most believed). They've been a space-faring race for much longer than most of the other regional powers. I'm honestly surprised we haven't seen more lost Vulcan colonies.

The question is, why did THEY change their appearance between TOS (movies) and TNG? Ambassador Caitlin Dar in TFF had a smooth head (but she was admittedly half-human in the original script and novelization) as did Ambassador Nonclus in TUC. Something happened after that time. The Klingon problem has been explained, albeit ham-handedly. The Romulans' appearance, while not as pronounced a problem, still raises questions.

Another thing to take into account is "Reunification", where Spock appeared to walk freely amongst the Romulans in their streets and cities, without being "outed" as a Vulcan, so clearly there are still a lot of smooth-headed Romulans around as to not make his presence an oddity. Just don't see them as much for some reason.

As good an explanation as any. I did notice that Spock usually wore a hood when in public in "Reunification". But just as Earth has different facial characteristics of people originating from different geographic regions it makes sense that other planets/species would have variations.

 

[Mr. Nova]

I think @Kevin Wolff missed the apparently too subtle humour in my post. I was already well aware of why it makes you cringe. My point was that "getting a funny scene out of it" seems like a way good enough reason to install some tubes in what's all made-up technology anyway.

In fact, do they mention it's for cooling? I always just assumed it's the ship's central espresso machine. Or is this me being too Italian again?

I can't help but think a massive ship like Enterprise would have a multitude of uses for clean water. Cooling, cleaning, drinking, ice for the Romulan Ale...

 

[fireproof78]

It doesn't exactly speak well for our little franchise when recurring aliens:

a) lacking the usual pointed ears/forehead bumps/face paint combo​

and

b) not speaking English.
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Are deemed as being 'Star Wars.'

Trek - You used to have the jump on this shit. You had balls of fluff! Rubber suits! A group of uncomfortable men huddled under a blanket!

Where did we go wrong?

I miss the Horta

Oh yes, TOS had some wonderfully weird aliens! I would love to see more of that!



This on the other hand is indeed a valid point of criticism. Star Wars had those gibberish speaking aliens everyone was okay with. Star Trek has the universal translater. They should speak English! With the notable exception if communication is indeed the point of the episode ("Darmok and Jalaad, at Tanagra!")

Keenser speaks English, he just doesn't talk at that much. No gibberish.

Also, the opinion that Keenser is Scotty's "pet" is a strange one to me. He never struck me as such, simply a different way of engaging with Scotty.

 

[Trekkin]

I'd forgotten about that. He was speaking English in 09.

It was the echo that made him indecipherable at first, not the language.

 

[Prax]

The much-despised "These Are The Voyages" ENT finale firmly places ENT in the Prime timeline. The episode was actually a TNG episode about ENT's final voyage.

And the Defiants library showing Archer and Sato's biography.

 

[cultcross]

Also, the opinion that Keenser is Scotty's "pet" is a strange one to me. He never struck me as such, simply a different way of engaging with Scotty

Yeah, same. I thought it was a neat way of giving Scotty someone to interact with other than the comm panel.

 

[Trekkin]

And the Defiants library showing Archer and Sato's biography.

With Hoshi's future tying into Prime Kirk's past. She was one of the people killed by Kodos.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

'Without emotion':





He tried to blow up the entire ship in Space Seed. How much more 'blown away' did he need?



That's...not what he did in STID. Though I hear rapid decompression ain't great for the ol' eyeballs.

I'm curious: when you saw him trying to beat the shit out of Kirk in SS, what exactly did you assume to be Khan's end game ? Particularly kinky cuddles?

Also, when you saw Khan trying to kill McCoy in Sickbay with McCoy's old surgical instruments, did you assume that Khan was just doing that as a joke?

 

[Dukhat]

Also, when you saw Khan trying to kill McCoy in Sickbay with McCoy's old surgical instruments, did you assume that Khan was just doing that as a joke?

I'm assuming this comment was meant for me, like Hela's about Khan and Kirk's fight. And I think you both are missing my point. I was discussing Khan's differences between SS and STID. Besides a difference in personality, in SS, while described as a "genetic superman," he was still portrayed as a relatively normal human. The Khan from STID would never have been brought down by a random metal pipe to the back, nor would he have needed McCoy's surgical instruments to kill McCoy. He could have just ripped McCoy's head off his shoulders with his bare hands.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

Khan in SS was a genetic "superman". Khan in ID was a comic-book superman, complete with superhuman powers.

 

[Trekkin]

I'm assuming this comment was meant for me, like Hela's about Khan and Kirk's fight. And I think you both are missing my point. I was discussing Khan's differences between SS and STID. Besides a difference in personality, in SS, while described as a "genetic superman," he was still portrayed as a relatively normal human. The Khan from STID would never have been brought down by a random metal pipe to the back

It wasn't exactly believable in SS either. We see the guy tear down metal doors, crush phasers, and heal his own cardiac arrest over night. But he can suddenly be headlocked by Kirk, his punches don't do jack, and he apparently has a crippling 'lightweight plastic' weakness.

Those powers of plot necessity are fickle bastards. Kirk gives them one patented 'smouldering come-hither', and they fall just over themselves to clamour on to him his side.

Though in STID, Khan was 'taken out' by Spock getting his hands on a piece of nearby rebar, and walloping Khan repeatedly over the head. I always throught it was an outright reference to his SS beatdown.

 

[BillJ]

The Khan from STID would never have been brought down by a random metal pipe to the back...

But he was slowed down by said metal pipe by Spock in Into Darkness.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

With Hoshi's future tying into Prime Kirk's past. She was one of the people killed by Kodos.

Actually, the part of her bio where it says that, wasn't actually used onscreen...

 

[Flake]

I am not worried about the look etc. Lets not get annoyed with the aesthetics and minutiae of timelines and stardates and LCARS or Warp Speed transit times.

The thing to think about are the people involved. Nick Meyer being the main guy. He knows Trek, he gets it. He knows the soul of Trek. Imagine a situation where Meyer and Roddenberry worked things out and understood each others Trek perspective, just after TWOK comes out. I wonder what they would have come up with? Roddenberry seemed the more logical and utopian writer whilst Meyer focused more on the emotions of the characters and ensuring it still has action & adventure which TMP lacked.

I think Meyer will have understood what Roddenberry was trying to do in 1979/TMP and later in TNG and will integrate it with his perspective of Star Trek for the perfect Trek. Can't we have this vision please. Who gives a shit what it looks like. Its not for us its for Todays youth and that means getting it past the censors... remember?!?! Its the perfect scenario.

So I am looking forward to it.