And most of the Admiralty.
Kelvin Timeline all but confirmed
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Anything that doesn't align with Prime canon, I just shift into it's own parallel universe. So that way it still happens, but I don't have to deal with the conflict.
I just checked the copyright pages for the first Kelvinverse ongoing series trade, the Khan miniseries and Star Trek/Green Lantern trades, and the first issue of Boldly Go and they all list CBS and Paramount. I was surprised to see they don't list Bad Robot.
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Actually it's the opposite. If you remember, the "creators" of the movie (and Cumberbatch himself) repeatedly stated that Cumberbatch was not playing Khan! Turns out they were saying the truth.
IIRC, the decision to make Khan the bad guy was made later in the production. Before that, Harrison was just Harrison. So it's entirely possible that when these people were saying Khan wasn't the villian, it was because he wasn't...at the time.
Not at all. But in this particular situation, Harrison stating that his name is Khan, and nuSpock and Prime Spock discussing Khan Noonien Singh, pretty much unequivocally proves he's Khan.
Sorry, but you must have seen a different episode than I did. Because I don't recall Khan in "Space Seed" acting completely without emotion, blowing people away with BFGs, and gouging people's eyes out.
Wrong. Paramount owns the content of all Star Trek films, but not the intellectual property. CBS owns that, which means they could damn well have made the new show take place in the Kelvin timeline and have uniforms and ships that look exactly like it if they wanted to. The only thing they couldn't do was use footage from any of the films in a CBS-produced Trek project without Paramount's permission.
No - Just first wanting to suffocate the ENTIRE crew of the Enterprise - but changing his mind (because he still needed people to operate the ship) - so he started suffocating them one by one in a vacuum chamber in an attempt to get crew members to work for him.
And once he knew his group was defeated on the Enterprise - he tried to destroy it in an anti-matter explosion.
And sorry, he killed millions in the Eugenics Wars so no, he wasn't a 'charming guy' UNLESS it was a means to an end.
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That's the Space Seed I saw. I guess you were watching the "Khan is charming/civilized/misunderstood" version.
(Oh, and in STII:TWoK he went wild on the Regula-One station and slit ALL the scientist's throats.)
'Without emotion':
He tried to blow up the entire ship in Space Seed. How much more 'blown away' did he need?
That's...not what he did in STID. Though I hear rapid decompression ain't great for the ol' eyeballs.
I'm curious: when you saw him trying to beat the shit out of Kirk in SS, what exactly did you assume to be Khan's end game ? Particularly kinky cuddles?
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Really, really, really, deep tissue massage.
Really, really, really, deep tissue massage.
I'm not arguing that he was a killer. I'm arguing about how he was portrayed in SS as opposed to STID. While the end result is the same, suffocating the crew is very different from just randomly shooting them all. In SS, he's depicted as an intelligent, charming man who also happens to be ruthless and deadly. In STID, he's depicted as a cold, calculating maniac.
We don't know what he did during the Eugenics Wars. For all we know he didn't personally kill anyone.
But we weren't talking about TWOK. The Khan from TWOK was a man stuck on a hellhole planet for 15 years and had built up that many years of resentment.
'Without emotion':
That's not an emotion. That's actually a disease common in the Star Trek universe. It's called "Kirkus Overactus."
While I admit I haven't seen the film for awhile, exactly how did he kill Admiral Marcus again?
I stand corrected. That's actually worse.
Not really. When you see characters walloping each other over the head in fights to the death, that's usually the effect they're aiming for.
Khan having a propensity to crushing and throttling is something he did in every appearence, come to think of it. Turns out having one actor hold hands (or throats) with another one, is a surprisingly cheap and effective way of establishing super strength.
Khan having a propensity to crushing and throttling is something he did in every appearence, come to think of it. Turns out having one actor hold hands (or throats) with another one, is a surprisingly cheap and effective way of establishing super strength.
He also threatened to slice McCoy's throat when he first woke up.
Also, I find it odd that TWOK Khan is given credit for 15 years of building his revenge. However, nuKhan spent a year under Admiral Marcus being brainwashed, manipulated as an agent and blackmailed through the threats of death. Yes, he should be completely balanced in his psyche.
Maybe he should have tossed him in decompression chamber, would that be better?
Very few leaders do in modern warfare. Doesn't mean he has no blood on his hands. It's the Eugenics Wars, remember. Not Eugenics Debate Club.
I said it was worse than having his eyes gouged out. As in, one could conceivably still live without eyes. A crushed skull on the other hand? Not likely.
But yes, a decompression chamber would obviously be the worst of the three options.
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Keep in mind that all of the ships sent to Vulcan were largely staffed with undergrad or barely graduated cadets. Pike knew Kirk and had obviously followed his path through the academy. He thought he knew what Kirk was capable of, probably better than most of the crew. Sure there were other officers aboard, but Pike acted on his intuition.
Pike, Olsen and Puri were the Enterprise's original senior staff. Remember, the main fleet was engaged in the Laurentian system at the time (doing important and time consuming plot things), they were staffing whatever they had in orbit with cadets to help evacuate areas on Vulcan they thought were dealing with severe seismic disturbances.
I know the feeling. I act the same way when someone wakes me up when I'm not supposed to.
I know the feeling. I act the same way when someone wakes me up when I'm not supposed to.
I personally love this scene. Pine and Ever help sell the whole thing with the expressions on their faces.
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